Expectation Value of Momentum Squared

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The discussion revolves around the expectation value of momentum squared for a particle described by a specific wave function in quantum mechanics. The problem involves finding normalization constants, potential energy functions, and calculating various expectation values, including momentum and position.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of the wave function and the implications of the Schrödinger equation. There are attempts to calculate expectation values and clarify the process of differentiation involved in finding . Questions arise regarding the correctness of specific results and the handling of complex exponential terms in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the time-independent Schrödinger equation to simplify calculations. There are multiple interpretations of the results, particularly concerning the expectation values of momentum and position, with no explicit consensus reached on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the results presented by the original poster, including possible typos and misunderstandings about the calculations of expectation values. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about the mathematical processes involved.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is in the state

Psi(x,t) = Ae^(-a[(mx^2)+it])

where A and a are positive real constants.

a) Find A

b) For what potential energy function V(x) does Psi satisfy the Shrodinger equation?

c) Calculate the expectation values of x, x^2, p, and p^2

d) Find sigma_x and sigma_p. Is their product consistent with the uncertainty principle?


Homework Equations


Intetgral of p(x)dx = 1 (from negative infinity to infinity)
Shrodinger equation
<x> = Integral of Psi* (x) Psi dx
<p> = Integral of Psi* (hbar/i partial derivative with respect to position) Psi dx
sigma_x times sigma_p > or = hbar/2


The Attempt at a Solution


I managed to get solutions for parts a and b, and most of part c. Using the equations listed above, I got 0 for <x> and <p> and 1/4 hbar/(am). The problem I had was figuring out how to solve <p^2>. I tried squaring hbar/i and the partial derivative term but that lead to some problems.

The partial derivative is A^2 (-2amx/hbar) e^(-amx^2/hbar - iat).

When I squared only the (-2amx/hbar) part, I managed to get a solution of hbar*am, and when I solved for the standard deviations and put them into the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle I got exactly hbar/2. However, a friend of mine informed me that e^(-amx^x/hbar - iat) is also part of the derivative, and when I tried squaring that as well I ran into problems with simplification.

Is hbar*am the correct answer? And if so, why don't I have to square e^(-amx^2/hbar - iat)? Or if I'm completely wrong, what am I supposed to do to calculate <p^2>?

Thanks for your help!

-Pie
 
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Your friend is correct, and you could just grind it out.

Here's a trick that might help you. The time-independent Schrödinger equation is

\frac{p^2}{2m}\psi(x)+V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)

Since you already found V(x) earlier, you can solve for p^2\psi(x) without having to differentiate twice, and use the result when evaluating the integral.
 
vela said:
Your friend is correct, and you could just grind it out.

Here's a trick that might help you. The time-independent Schrödinger equation is

\frac{p^2}{2m}\psi(x)+V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)

Since you already found V(x) earlier, you can solve for p^2\psi(x) without having to differentiate twice, and use the result when evaluating the integral.

Hi

Could you please show me how did the OP get &lt;p&gt;= 1/4 \hbar/(am)? I'm a little bit new to this stuff.

AB
 
Altabeh said:
Could you please show me how did the OP get &lt;p&gt;= 1/4 \hbar/(am)? I'm a little bit new to this stuff.
I think the OP made a typo and meant that result was \langle x^2\rangle and that both \langle x\rangle and \langle p\rangle were 0.
 
Hello,

I'm really new to this whole thing, would you be able to explain how you got those answers, I'm getting confussed when i try it myself
 

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