Expected value and variance of multivariate exponential distr.

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The discussion focuses on finding the variance matrix and expected variance vector for the independent variables Y1 and Y2, which are part of a multivariate exponential distribution. Participants clarify the need to establish whether Y1 and Y2 are discrete or continuous, as this affects the approach to the problem. There is confusion regarding the independence of Y1 and Y2, with one participant admitting to an error in their initial assumption. Suggestions are made to derive the marginal distributions for Y1 and Y2 to calculate their means and variances, while also addressing the covariance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clearly defining the problem and the variables involved.
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Homework Statement


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I want to find variance matrix and expected variance vector of Y=(Y1,Y2). Y1 and Y2 are independant. Γ is the gamma function and ϒ is a known parameter. λ1>0 λ2>0 and ϒ>0

Homework Equations


canonical form formulas for exponential family.

The Attempt at a Solution


I want to do it by proving that it belongs to the exponential family and then bring to canonical form. But in our textbook (Dobson, Generalized linear model) there are only formulas for f(y) where y is not a vector as here y=(y1,y1)
 
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the_dane said:

Homework Statement


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17974596/Sk%C3%A6rmbillede%202016-02-02%20kl.%2007.35.26.png
I want to find variance matrix and expected variance vector of Y=(Y1,Y2). Y1 and Y2 are independant. Γ is the gamma function and ϒ is a known parameter. λ1>0 λ2>0 and ϒ>0

Homework Equations


canonical form formulas for exponential family.

The Attempt at a Solution


I want to do it by proving that it belongs to the exponential family and then bring to canonical form. But in our textbook (Dobson, Generalized linear model) there are only formulas for f(y) where y is not a vector as here y=(y1,y1)

Are the ##y_i## discrete (integer-valued) or continuous? If continuous, what do you mean by ##y_i!##, etc? If they are discrete, is your function ##p## a joint probability mass function? If they are continuous, is your function ##p## a joint probability density function? Why do you write ##p(y_1+y_2)## when the function on the right is not just a function of ##y_1+y_2##, but is a function of ##(y_1,y_2)##?

Why do you say that ##Y_1,Y_2## are independent? They do not look independent at all, judging by their joint distribution that you give.

Anyway, you are supposed to do some work on a problem before bringing it to this forum; we are not allowed to help you until you show what you have done already.
 
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They are discrete and I was wrong saying that they are independent.

I know I have to do some work before, but I brought it because I'm totally stuck. I think my problem is that in this course our textbook only have examples for one variable and not multi. That confuses me.
 
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They are discrete and I was wrong saying that they are independent.

I know I have to do some work before, but I brought it because I'm totally stuck. I think my problem is that in this course our textbook only have examples for one variable and not multi. That confuses me.

Start by trying to obtain formulas for the marginal distributions of ##Y_1## and ##Y_2##. You can get the means and variances of ##Y_1## and ##Y_2## from their marginals. That leaves only the problem of finding ##\text{Cov}(Y_1,Y_2)##, which must use the full bivariate distribution ##p(y_1,y_2)##.

BTW: you still have not specified the problem very well: do ##y_1, y_2## belong to the integers ##\{0,1,2, \ldots \}##?
 
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