Expected value of a function of a random variable

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a random variable \(X\) and a function \(g(x)\) that is always positive and strictly increasing. The goal is to deduce an inequality related to the probability \(P(X \geq x)\) and the expected value \(E(g(X))\). The nature of the random variable (continuous or discrete) is not specified, which adds complexity to the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore whether the problem can be approached without separately proving cases for continuous and discrete random variables. Some suggest using indicator random variables and relate the problem to Markov's Inequality. Others express confusion regarding the behavior of the function \(g\) when combined with indicator functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights about potential approaches, including breaking the problem into parts and using specific functions like the exponential function for clarity. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of addressing the problem without clear definitions of the random variable's type and the implications of using a strictly increasing function \(g\). There are also references to specific properties of expectation that may apply across different types of random variables.

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Homework Statement


Let X be a random variable. It is not specified if it is continuous or discrete. Let g(x) alway positive and strictly increasing. Deduce this inequality:
$$P(X\geqslant x) \leqslant \frac{Eg(X)}{g(x)} \: $$
where x is real.

Homework Equations


I know that if X is discrete
$$E(X) =\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} g(x_i)x_i$$

And if X is continuous,
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} g(x)f(x) dx$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Is there a way to answer the question without proving the two cases (cont and discrete). Thanks!
 
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AllRelative said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Is there a way to answer the question without proving the two cases (cont and discrete). Thanks!

Yes -- use indicator random variables and recognize that your problem is actually asking for a standard proof of Markov's Inequality which takes just one or two lines.

Note: if you want something more concrete, let ##g## be the exponential function.
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
Yes -- use indicator random variables and recognize that your problem is actually asking for a standard proof of Markov's Inequality which takes just one or two lines.

Note: if you want something more concrete, let ##g## be the exponential function.
I just read up of Markov's inequality. I see that it is the same problem except for the function. I'm just unsure about what to do with the function g.

$$g(x) P(X)\geq E(g(I_{X\geq x}))$$

How does an idicator function behave in a function? That's what confuses me. If g wasn't there I could finish the proof...
 
AllRelative said:
I just read up of Markov's inequality. I see that it is the same problem except for the function. I'm just unsure about what to do with the function g.

$$g(x) P(X)\geq E(g(I_{X\geq x}))$$

How does an idicator function behave in a function? That's what confuses me. If g wasn't there I could finish the proof...

some of the things look backwards here?
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Suggestion: break it into two parts.

(part 1) let random variable ##Y := g(X)##. Now prove markov's inequality for ##Y##.

(part 2) after you have done the above, reason through -- how can you relate Y and X? i.e. if I say an experiment occurs in the sample space and I know the outcome is ##Y(\omega) \geq g(c)## that immediately tells you something of interest about ##X(\omega)##. Again, de-abstracting this and having ##g## be the exponential function may be useful for now...
 
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Oh right... Thanks man!
 
AllRelative said:

Homework Statement


Let X be a random variable. It is not specified if it is continuous or discrete. Let g(x) alway positive and strictly increasing. Deduce this inequality:
$$P(X\geqslant x) \leqslant \frac{Eg(X)}{g(x)} \: $$
where x is real.

Homework Equations


I know that if X is discrete
$$E(X) =\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} g(x_i)x_i$$

And if X is continuous,
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} g(x)f(x) dx$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Is there a way to answer the question without proving the two cases (cont and discrete). Thanks!

Now that you have done the question I can show you may favorite, quick way of doing it. For ##a > 0## let ##v_a(x) = g(x)/g(a)## and let
$$u_a(x) = 1\{ x \geq a \} = \begin{cases} 0 & \text{if} \; x < a \\
1 & \text{if} \; x \geq a
\end{cases}$$
For all ##x \geq 0## we have ##0 \leq u_a(x) \leq v_a(x)##, with ##u_a(a) = v_a(a) = 1.## Thus
$$P(X \geq a) = E u_a(X) \leq E v_a(X) = E g(X)/g(a).$$

This just uses elementary properties of expectation, and works the same way whether ##X## is discrete, continuous, or mixed discrete-continuous.

Here is a drawing that shows the situation.
 

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