Experienced Physicist Looking to construct Particleaccelerator

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The discussion centers on the feasibility and safety of constructing a small-scale particle accelerator by an 8th-grade student for a science fair project. Participants explore various types of accelerators, safety concerns, and the necessary technical knowledge required for such a project.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to build a cyclotron or linear accelerator, questioning the feasibility of using a Van De Graaff generator for a linear accelerator.
  • Another participant emphasizes the dangers of high voltage and questions the appropriateness of an 8th grader undertaking such a project.
  • A suggestion is made to use a Cathode Ray tube as a safer demonstration of particle acceleration, with parental supervision advised.
  • One participant defends the student's experience based on previous scientific achievements, arguing that age should not limit one's pursuit of scientific projects.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential hazards associated with high-voltage equipment and radiation, urging the student to prioritize safety and understanding of risks.
  • Another participant agrees on the importance of mental and emotional maturity in applying safety standards alongside technical knowledge.
  • A warning is issued regarding the extreme dangers of working with high voltages and the potential for fatal radiation exposure.
  • A participant with experience in particle accelerators notes that while building a small one is not overly difficult, the associated dangers are significant and require careful consideration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significant safety risks involved in constructing a particle accelerator, particularly regarding high voltage and radiation. However, there is disagreement on the student's capability and appropriateness of undertaking such a project at a young age.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for a thorough understanding of safety standards and the potential hazards of high-voltage equipment, including the generation of radiation. There are unresolved questions about the technical feasibility of the proposed accelerator designs and the student's readiness to handle the associated risks.

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Hello,
I am an aspiring physicist looking to construct a functioning small-scale particleaccelerator for my 8th grade science fair. I am aware of the complexity of this endeavor and have multiple means of completing it at my disposal, including some very generous parents.
My interest and credibility in the field of particle and nuclear physics has spawned from my completion of a Inertial Electrostatic Containment fusion device (a fusor) for my 7th grade science fair.
Unfortunately, I am still inexperienced with many aspects of particle acceleration and so I am here seeking the aid of professionals.
I first planned to construct a cyclotron, as I have a high-voltage power source (15 keV) and would prefer a somewhat high yield from the device. However, I am now leaning to constructing a linear accelerator, due to its ease of construction (but I am skeptical of how much juice I would be able to get out of it.)
Could I use a Van De Graff generator to power a simple tubular Linac?
I have done extensive research in past months and would like to complete this project by February, 2011.
I am looking forward to hearing from my fellow physicists for instruction, tips or even criticism.
 
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You are not an experienced physicist - you are an 8th grader.

Anything involving high voltage is dangerous. It would be irresponsible to encourage an 8th grader to work with high voltage. If the 8th grader is irresponsible enough to misrepresent himself as an "experienced physicist", this becomes doubly so.
 
If you have a television that uses a Cathode Ray to project images, I would suggest you extract it with parental supervision. This would be the most efficient way to demonstrate a particle accelerator - you're accelerating electrons.
 
I can only define my "experience" in the field of physics as being my scientific achievements; I don't recall any of history's great scientists being judged on their age. I responsibly figure that after achieving the successful construction of a cloud chamber, Fusion reactor (15 keV and up) and a Van De Graaff, I possesses the experience necessary to take on the relatively meager endeavor of a small particleaccelerator. I joined the field of physics to make achievements of science in a respectable manner, a goal that common opinion, though understandable, will not keep me from.
I thank Kevin_Axion for the tip. I have considered using a Cathode Ray tube, but I would honestly like to have more experience with designing the electromagnet assembly and the particle source myself.
Any suggestions?
 
Your interest in physics is laudable and I don't want to discourage you. But I must warn you that the best thing you and your parents could do for you is to take a year or so to study all the *genuine life threatening hazards* in the work you contemplate.

For example, at 15kv, do you know how many x-rays your accelerator will create and where the deadly beams will be directed? Do you know the dielectric strength of the insulators in your equipment so you don't electrocute someone?
Unless you can calculate how much "juice" your device might create or how deadly the juice is, you should not build it. Learning the limits is legitimate physics for your stage of professional development and I dare say you need it badly.

Look up Louis Slotin and ask yourself if you're even as careful as he was.
 
I agree. The true issue here is not so much the technicality of his endeavor, but the mental/emotional maturity to learn about, understand and APPLY safety standards.
He seems to be doing well with some technical aspects. If he combines that with a responsible awareness of safety he will do even better.
 
You are heading down a very dangerous road playing with 15KV. I suggest you abandon this venture immediately before you end up killing yourself or someone else.
 
I've worked on particle accelerators for a long time.

It's not difficult to build a small one but as everyone has pointed out it's exceptionally dangerous.
Not only are the voltages involved dangerously high, if you succeed, you will produce radiation at a level that's likely to be almost immediately fatal .

Real accelerators are usually sealed in specially built rooms with walls several feet thick with sophisticated safety systems to prevent accidents.

Many of the Physicists who worked on this stuff before it was fully understood died as a result.
 

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