Experimental physics or engineering (of some kind)

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The discussion revolves around the decision-making process of a junior physics student contemplating a career path between experimental physics and engineering. It explores the implications of pursuing a PhD in experimental physics versus obtaining a master's degree in engineering, including considerations of job prospects, work environment, and the nature of the fields.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to balance interests in physics and engineering, noting the appeal of real-world problem solving and experimental design.
  • Concerns are raised about the job market for experimental physicists, particularly regarding the oversupply of postdoctoral positions and the competitive nature of academia.
  • Another participant suggests that there are fields that bridge physics and engineering, such as detector physics and accelerator physics, which may offer viable career options.
  • Questions are posed about the availability of jobs in industry for those with a background in experimental physics and whether these opportunities are as limited as academic positions.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between accelerator physics and high energy physics, emphasizing that the former may not be as affected by funding fluctuations in the latter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of career paths in experimental physics versus engineering, with some advocating for a hybrid approach while others highlight the challenges in both fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainty about job market trends, the impact of specific institutional changes (like the Fermilab accelerator shutdown), and the varying definitions of roles within physics and engineering that may affect employment opportunities.

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Im a junior getting a BS in physics, and I am in the "what do I want to do with my life" phase of my college undergrad career. currently I am stuck between deciding between continuing physics, getting a PhD and focusing on experimental physics, or getting my BS and post bacc plus masters in engineering (probably mech or EE at this point I am not quite sure) on one hand I like physics, and I like real world problem solving, especially when it comes to designing experiments and figuring out how to figure out what we need to figure out (sorry for the wordiness there) but on the other hand I feel that all of the above desires can be met with engineering, with significantly more money, and less time in school (read debt) and better overall job prospects (not just money but chances of getting hired in my field period) the only other strike against experimental physics is that the work is long, hard, and from what I gather there are so many post doc's that supply way exceeds demand which doesn't bode well for me Also are there potential places in industry for experimental physicists? academia seems overcrowded

Basically how right are my assumptions, and if they are wrong or I missed some pro's/cons of either field please fill me in

also the last thread I saw debating experimental physics turned into a troll off between theorists and experimentalists please don't start that
 
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And again, why can't you do BOTH? There are several areas in physics in which you end up straddling both physics and engineering. Detector physics is one example. The other, which I've highlighted several times, is accelerator physics:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=410271

Zz.
 
Thanks this is the kind of answer I am looking for (though not the only one I am assuming) are there any other fields like this (anything in industry maybe) also in this case are the jobs plentiful, or is it as bad as trying to get a professorship these days?
 
slam7211 said:
Thanks this is the kind of answer I am looking for (though not the only one I am assuming) are there any other fields like this (anything in industry maybe) also in this case are the jobs plentiful, or is it as bad as trying to get a professorship these days?

It appears as if you didn't even read the title of the thread that I linked to! Or is it not obvious what "goes begging" means?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
It appears as if you didn't even read the title of the thread that I linked to! Or is it not obvious what "goes begging" means?

Zz.

Zz, you misinterpreted my reply, I was simply attempting to show that, while your answer was great I was posing the questions to others who might have other fields in mind outside of accelerator physics. Basically I didnt want people to think I was done with the thread but thank you for the guidance, also I know you said you personally do not know anyone with an MS in physics who has these jobs but do you think they would hire them, and does this look like a temporary fad or a steady line of work. Also given the shut down of the Fermilab accelerator do the job prospects look the same?
 
slam7211 said:
Zz, you misinterpreted my reply, I was simply attempting to show that, while your answer was great I was posing the questions to others who might have other fields in mind outside of accelerator physics. Basically I didnt want people to think I was done with the thread but thank you for the guidance, also I know you said you personally do not know anyone with an MS in physics who has these jobs but do you think they would hire them, and does this look like a temporary fad or a steady line of work. Also given the shut down of the Fermilab accelerator do the job prospects look the same?

If you've read not only the thread, but also the link that I gave, you would have noticed that I had repeatedly tried to emphasize that "accelerator physics" is not equal to "high energy physics". It means that the field isn't tied to the ups and downs of funding in high energy physics. Those synchrotron centers that need RF engineers and accelerator physicists are not particle colliders. Those x-ray sources at your doctors' offices are not high energy physics machines.

Zz.
 

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