Experimental verification of Ehrenfest Paradox

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Ehrenfest Paradox, particularly its experimental verification and the implications of special relativity on rigid bodies in rotation. Participants explore the paradox's nature, the feasibility of experiments related to the contraction of spinning discs, and the material limitations that may affect such experiments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the modern resolution of the Ehrenfest Paradox, questioning its correctness and seeking experimental evidence.
  • Others argue that the paradox has been mischaracterized and that it is not truly a paradox, citing literature that discusses the implications of special relativity on rigid bodies.
  • It is noted that conducting experiments to verify the contraction of a spinning disc is challenging due to the dominance of inertial effects, which can lead to disintegration of the disc at high speeds.
  • Some participants suggest that while a spinning ring might contract under certain conditions, the feasibility of such an experiment with known materials is doubtful.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential expansion of a very thin ring, although calculations to support this claim have not been provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the nature of the Ehrenfest Paradox and the feasibility of experimental verification, with multiple competing views presented regarding the implications of special relativity and the behavior of materials in rotation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions regarding material properties and the conditions under which experiments could be conducted, as well as the unresolved calculations related to the behavior of a thin ring.

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I am not completely convinced that the modern resolution is correct.

Is it?

Is anyone aware of any experiments that have been done that relate to this effect?

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrenfest_paradox
 
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Hi, this topic has been well discussed before (and despite some confusion in the literature it never really was a paradox), see:

- https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=4101753&postcount=5

- The original paper simply proves that according to SR real matter cannot be totally rigid (and there is nothing paradoxical about that):
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Uniform_Rotation_of_Rigid_Bodies_and_the_Theory_of_Relativity

PS. A short answer about experiments: it is very difficult to imagine an experiment that could allow to verify the contraction of a spinning disc. The inertial effect is always much greater and already not-so-fast rotating discs disintegrate (explode).
 
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harrylin said:
PS. A short answer about experiments: it is very difficult to imagine an experiment that could allow to verify the contraction of a spinning disc. The inertial effect is always much greater and already not-so-fast rotating discs disintegrate (explode).
A spinning disc cannot contract much because the radial direction is not contracting. A spinning ring could potentially contract if it was very light (minimal centrifugal forces) and very strong. But I doubt an experiment is feasible with known materials.
 
A.T. said:
A spinning disc cannot contract much because the radial direction is not contracting. [..] A spinning ring could potentially contract if it was very light [..].
I suspect that a very thin ring of any known useable material would still expand, but I did not calculate it (anyone?).
 
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