Explaining the Blue Shift in Terms of the Strong Equivalence Principle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of blue shift observed in a photon emitted from an accelerating spacecraft, specifically addressing the connection to the strong equivalence principle. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects and equivalence principles in the context of observers positioned at different points within the spacecraft.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a spacecraft with two observers, A and B, and seeks to understand the blue shift of a photon from A to B in relation to the strong equivalence principle.
  • Another participant references the Pound-Rebka experiment as a potential analogy for understanding the blue shift in a gravitational context.
  • A participant questions the understanding of why the rear observer is moving faster than the front, suggesting the concept of Born rigidity as relevant to the discussion.
  • Some participants provide links to external resources for further reading on equivalence principles and Born rigidity, although the usefulness of these links is debated.
  • One participant outlines two perspectives on the blue shift: the relativistic Doppler effect due to acceleration and the interpretation through the strong equivalence principle, likening it to a gravitational potential scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the connection between blue shift and the strong equivalence principle. There is no consensus on the clarity of these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate uncertainty about the application of Born rigidity to the scenario, and there are unresolved questions regarding the links to external resources provided for further exploration of the topic.

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Ok so I was answering a question about a spacecraft accelerating through deep space with observer A in the front and observer B in the rear. I was asked to explain why a phton sent from A to B would appear blue shifted to B - simple enough I just plugged in a positive velocity to the relativistic doppler shift equation. I was then asked to explain the significance of the blue shift in terms of the strong equivalence principle and, well frankly, I can't see the connection. any ideas? also an explanation of the use of the strong EP would be really helpful!
thanks for any help
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Pound-Rebka?
 
Do you understand why the rear is moving faster than the front? If not, I suggest you read up on Born rigidity, e.g. by checking out what I've been saying about it in this forum the last few months: https://www.physicsforums.com/search.php?searchid=1377913
 
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latentcorpse said:
I was then asked to explain the significance of the blue shift in terms of the strong equivalence principle and, well frankly, I can't see the connection. any ideas?

What is the Strong Equivalence Principle?
 
Fredrik said:
Do you understand why the rear is moving faster than the front? If not, I suggest you read up on Born rigidity, e.g. by checking out what I've been saying about it in this forum the last few months: https://www.physicsforums.com/search.php?searchid=1377913


Hey that link you posted doesn't seem to be working - it just says "sorry no matches were found". erm..i amen't really sure about why the rear is moving faster than the front? could u post the link again
 
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It was a link to the results of a search I just made. I guess it was a bit optimistic of me to expect that the link would work long enough to be useful. (It worked when I previewed). Click "search" at the top of this window. Choose "advanced search" (under "search forums", not under "search blogs"). Type "fredrik" in the user name field. Type "born rigid" in the "keyword(s)" field. Change "find posts from" to "3 months ago" (and newer). Highlight "special & general relativity" in the "search in forum(s)" field. Change "show results as" from "threads" to "posts". Then click "search now".
 
There are two basic ways to look at this case.

Firstly, the spaceship is accelerating, so by the time the photon from the front reaches the back, it is moving faster, so relativistic doppler shift applies, as already mentioned.

Secondly, by the Strong Equivalence Principle, you can consider the environment inside the spaceship to be equivalent to a static situation in a gravitational field, so the photon is being emitted at a higher potential and hence apparently has a higher frequency when it reaches the bottom, as in the Pound-Rebka experiment (previously mentioned by atyy). As this sounds like a homework question, I'll leave the trivial calculation of the result and the check that it matches the other view to the student.
 

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