Explaining usefullness of displacement and velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the usefulness of displacement and velocity in real-world applications, particularly in contexts that may not be immediately intuitive to those unfamiliar with these concepts. Participants explore examples and scenarios where these measurements are relevant, contrasting them with distance and speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while cars measure distance, it would be beneficial if they could measure displacement directly to determine position without GPS.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing direction in addition to speed for airplanes and ships, highlighting the need for velocity and displacement in navigation.
  • A different participant points out that displacement and velocity are extensively used in physics, such as in calculations of work, energy, momentum, and collision predictions.
  • One participant seeks to explain these concepts to beginners, suggesting examples like the difference in distance and displacement for a track athlete or the varying velocities experienced during a trip.
  • A later reply proposes cue sports as a potential example where understanding displacement and velocity is important.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and examples regarding the usefulness of displacement and velocity. There is no consensus on specific everyday examples that effectively illustrate these concepts to beginners.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the challenge of explaining these concepts to individuals without a background in physics, indicating a need for simpler, relatable examples. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the practical applications of displacement and velocity.

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I know the difference between distance and displacement, and speed and velocity, but I'm struggling how to explain the usefulness of displacement and velocity in the real world? For instance, our cars count the distances they travel, not displacement as one might see on a map, while airplanes plot their paths according to the distances they cover flying over the Earth's surface, not the displacement from one city to the next as if you drew a straight line through the crust. Similarly, if I told someone how fast I travel from one city to the next (whether driving or flying or whatever) based on velocity rather than speed, my answer may seem ridiculously slow or wildly fast depending on how much displacement I cover in some time versus the actual distance of my route. What's an easy way to explain, then, the reason we bother having displacement and velocity in the first place and some good examples where they make sense?
 
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Cars cannot measure the displacement directly, but it would be really useful if they could - you could know your position on the map without needing GPS.
In an airplane (or a ship), knowing the speed is nice, but you are also interested in the direction - you have to find the velocity, and you have to keep track of displacement to know where you are (again, GPS made that easier).

The same is true for nearly everything else that is not bound to roads, rails, canals or similar. You have to know the direction of its current motion/total displacement.

Subtracting two speeds often gives a wrong answer if you are interested in relative motion - you have to take the velocities. And so on.
 
supernova88 said:
I'm struggling how to explain the usefulness of displacement and velocity in the real world?
What do you mean by "in the real world"? Physics is done in the real world. Displacement and velocity are used extensively in physics. Displacement is used to calculate work and energy used. Velocity is used to calculate momentum and predict outcome of collisions.

If you mean a device that captures displacement / velocity, like odometers / speedometers capture distance / speed, then I guess an inertial navigation system is the closest example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system
 
To be more specific, A.T., I'm trying to explain displacement/velocity to people who've never heard of them before. Because these kids don't yet know anything about energy and work, I'm trying to keep things simple, but I'm struggling to find everyday examples to point to. I could, for instance, say that the distance and displacement a track athlete runs are different depending on where he/she stars and finishes, or the velocity of one's trip from home into the city is different than the actual speeds they experience on the road. I guess I'm just trying to anticipate the part where the kids ask why anyone would care or need to know displacement or velocity. After all, we don't measure gas usage in displacement, or we don't drive negative 65 mph when we turn around and go home. Are there any cases, aside from when distance/displacement or speed/velocity happen to be the same thing (i.e. driving in a straight line), where it's important to know displacement and velocity?
 
supernova88 said:
Are there any cases, aside from when distance/displacement or speed/velocity happen to be the same thing (i.e. driving in a straight line), where it's important to know displacement and velocity?
Cue sports?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports
 
Hmmmm, good one
 

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