Explanation of acceleration of a ball bouncing up and down on the ground

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of a ball bouncing vertically on the ground, focusing on how acceleration varies during the impact and rebound phases. Participants are exploring concepts related to momentum, forces, and the nature of collisions, particularly in the context of elastic and inelastic scenarios.

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  • The original poster attempts to explain the change in acceleration when the ball hits the ground, questioning their understanding and seeking alternative explanations. Other participants introduce concepts of perfect and non-ideal collisions, discussing the implications of modeling the ball as a spring. There are inquiries about the definitions of variables and the relationships between them, particularly regarding time and displacement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various perspectives on the nature of acceleration during the ball's impact and rebound. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conservation laws and the modeling of the ball, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the concepts discussed.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the definitions of variables and the assumptions made about the collision dynamics. The original poster expresses a desire for clarity and simplification in their explanation, while others question the implications of different modeling approaches.

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I am from HK. Hope you guys can understand my poor English! ^^
actually, this is not for my homework but my preparation for the public exam.

Homework Statement


The situation is that a ball bouncing up and down on the ground in vertical direction.
The question is to choose which graphs best describes the variation of its acceleration a.
It is a MC-question. Althought I know the ans., I want to have a full explanation but I am not sure if I am correct.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


We all know that there is a sudden change in acceleration to the opposite sign at the moment that the ball hits ground. I want to explain it. Please comment on my explanation.


  u↓ ↑v
   O    ↓+ve
-------
  ground

where u ≥ -v
ps. the ball with mass m.Let's consider momentum.
impact force
= (mv - mu)/t
≥ [m(-u) - mu]/t (since v ≥ -u)
= -2mu/t which is negativenet Force = ma
impact force - mg = ma
ma ≤ -2mu/t - mg
a ≤ -2u/t - g

hence, when the ball hits the ground, it experiences acceleration in the sign opposite to gravitational field.

Am I correct?
Can I explain in other way(s)? or simplier way(s)?
I want explanation as much as possible.
 
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Well, for a perfect collision between an immovable ground and perfectly elastic ball, the acceleration would be infinite, and all you need are the conservation laws. For a non-ideal situation, you have to consider the ball as some sort of spring, you can get an expression for the time the impulse will be delivered based on the spring constant (or equation).

The rate at which the acceleration changes direction--which, I think, is what you want to find out--depends sensitively on how you're modeling/thinking about the ball.
 
zhermes said:
Well, for a perfect collision between an immovable ground and perfectly elastic ball, the acceleration would be infinite, and all you need are the conservation laws. For a non-ideal situation, you have to consider the ball as some sort of spring, you can get an expression for the time the impulse will be delivered based on the spring constant (or equation).

The rate at which the acceleration changes direction--which, I think, is what you want to find out--depends sensitively on how you're modeling/thinking about the ball.
So, you mean that there is different explanation when it is in different cases?
Is there any wrong or improper concept?

How about this?
Since t ∝ kx where k is the spring constant and x is displacement (how should I difine x?)
=> t = μkx where μ is a constant.

hence, a ≤ -2u/μkx - g
since x change from -ve to +ve, and then -ve, acceleration changes its direction "gradually".

is it correct?
 
oh, i must make a mistake

now, let v be the velocity of the ball when it hits ground
impluse
= (mv - mu)/t

net Force = ma
impluse - mg = ma
ma = (mv - mu)/t - mg
a = (v - u)/t - g

since t ∝ 1/k => t = μ/k where k is spring constant, μ is a constant
hence, a = (v - u)k/μ - g
da/dt = (k/μ)(dv/dt) - uk/μ - g

When the ball hits ground,
speed of the ball ↓,
=> (dv/dt) is -ve.
=> da/dt is also -ve
=> slope of the a-t graph is -ve

when the ball leaves ground,
speed of the ball ↑,
=> (dv/dt) is +ve.
=> da/dt may become +ve
=> slope of the a-t graph may be +ve

however, it seems that i can't say "may be +ve" in this case, i should say "must be +ve". i don't know whether i made something wrong before. If no, how should I deduce "must"?
 

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