Explanation the difference between various types of plots

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The discussion centers on the use of semi-log and log-log plots in various technical fields, exploring their advantages compared to linear plots. Participants examine the contexts in which these plots are preferred, particularly in relation to the representation of data and relationships between variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that linear plots are more convenient as they directly show the relationship between x and y variables.
  • Others argue that semi-log and log-log plots are beneficial in fields like electrical engineering due to their ability to represent data over wide frequency ranges and to clarify relationships such as 1/f characteristics.
  • A participant explains that logarithmic transformations can convert exponential relationships into linear ones, making it easier to identify constants from the resulting straight line graphs.
  • Another participant notes that transformed plots can simplify data relationships, but emphasizes the need to recognize when transformations may mislead or obscure true patterns.
  • Some participants highlight that log-log and semi-log plots can make certain relationships appear linear, which is often desirable for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the utility of different types of plots, with no consensus on a single preferred method. The discussion reflects both support for and skepticism about the effectiveness of transformed plots.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the importance of understanding the transformations applied to data and the potential pitfalls of misinterpreting transformed relationships.

Ein Krieger
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Hello,

Why people use semi-log and log-log plots? What are they advantage?

Linear plots are more convenient as they show the direct relationship between x and y variables, aren't they?

Thanks.
 
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Ein Krieger said:
Hello,

Why people use semi-log and log-log plots? What are they advantage?

Linear plots are more convenient as they show the direct relationship between x and y variables, aren't they?

Thanks.

There are probably lots of reasons that vary by technical field. In electrical engineering (EE), we use semi-log and log-log plots because our circuits operate over wide frequency ranges (many decades of frequency, typically), and the gain (frequency response) of the circuits can vary quite a bit as well. When you use a log plot, a 1/f relationship turns into a straight line, whose characteristics are much more obvious (like what is the slope?).

http://csserver.evansville.edu/~ric...bode_plots/html/bode_plots_html_m27115e71.png

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Ein Krieger said:
Linear plots are more convenient as they show the direct relationship between x and y variables, aren't they?

One reason for making logarithmic or semi-logarithmic plots is that the turn other types of functions into straight line graphs.

For eaxmple if ##y = a^x## where ##a## is an (unknown) constant, then ##\log y = x \log a## and you can find ##a## from the "straight line" graph of ##\log y## against ##x##.

If ##y = x^a##, then ##\log y = a \log x## and you can find ##a## from a graph of ##\log y## against ##\log x##.

If you are measuring data, it's easier to "see" how close the points are to a straight line than trying to guess how well points lie on the "right" curve, especially if you don't know what the right curve actually is!
 
Transformed plots are useful when they simplify the relationship of the data. Of course you need to know what transformations are helpful in advance, and be ready to recognize when things have gone wrong. Most of the time it is easier to recognize the transformed pattern than the natural for, but there is a danger of tricking your self into seeing a pattern wit ha transformation.
 
Some kinds of plots such as log-log or semi-log may more easily allow the graph to appear as a line. We like NEAT relationships that we can see.

In cases in which semilog or log-log do not give appearance of a line, some other type of data treatment might give one.
 

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