Exploring the Effects of Combining Small Magnets in a Cube or Sphere Shape

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The discussion explores the effects of combining small magnets into cube or spherical shapes, particularly focusing on whether the resulting magnetic field can affect heavier objects and how the configuration influences the strength and range of the magnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that combining small magnets into a larger structure increases the overall magnetic field strength, allowing for the lifting of heavier objects.
  • One participant references domain theory to support the idea that a larger assembly of magnets behaves as a stronger magnet due to the collective effect of many small magnetic domains.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the lifting force and the contact area between the magnet and the object, suggesting that a larger surface area would result in a stronger lifting force.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that the magnetic field strength depends on the surface area, stating that the magnetic field just outside the magnet does not vary with area and emphasizes the importance of the contact area for lifting force calculations.
  • One participant notes that the formula for lifting force is applicable only under certain conditions, specifically when the magnet is sufficiently large to neglect the effects of its distant face.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between surface area and magnetic field strength, with some asserting that larger surface areas enhance lifting force while others contest this claim. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise effects of magnet configuration on field strength and lifting capability.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the size and configuration of magnets, as well as the conditions under which the discussed formulas apply. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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If you combine many small magnets together in a cube or spherical shape (say those 1.5 tesla rare Earth magnets), is the resulting magnetic field able to affect even heavier objects, or is there no difference in the range/energy of the field?
 
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Energize said:
If you combine many small magnets together in a cube or spherical shape (say those 1.5 tesla rare Earth magnets), is the resulting magnetic field able to affect even heavier objects, or is there no difference in the range/energy of the field?

Well I know that the magnetic field definitely does get stronger when you make a big cube out of many small magnetised cubes because I've tried it.

Makes sense really, the domain theory says that a magnet that you can hold in your hand is just a collection of very tiny microscopic (weak) magnets all side by side, and end to end. Put them all together and you can pick up comparatively gigantic objects(compared to the size and strength of the domains) .

So yes, the more you have the stronger the field.
 
If you build a cube out of rectangular magnets, The lifting force will be increase as the contact area of a face of the cube and the face of the object to be picked up.
In gaussian units, F=2pi M^2 A for the lifting force of a magnet of magnetization M on a high mu object, with A the contact area.
 
clem said:
If you build a cube out of rectangular magnets, The lifting force will be increase as the contact area of a face of the cube and the face of the object to be picked up.
In gaussian units, F=2pi M^2 A for the lifting force of a magnet of magnetization M on a high mu object, with A the contact area.

So this would mean that for 2 magnets with the same volume, the one with the biggest surface-area would have the strongest field. Is that correct?
 
Not quite. The B field just outside the magnet does not depend on the area.
The lifting force ~B times the area of contact between the magnet and the flat surface of an iron object.
One other thing. The formula I gave is only if the magnet is large enough that effect of the distant face can be neglected. If the magnet is too thin, the the effects of the close face and the distant face tend to cancel.
 

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