Can Rossby Waves in the Ocean Create Vortices?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential relationship between Rossby waves in the ocean and the formation of vortices. Participants explore the mechanisms involved, the scale of these vortices, and the differences between atmospheric and oceanic dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Rossby waves in the ocean can create vortices and speculates on their potential size.
  • Another participant suggests that while cyclones in the atmosphere are formed by smaller scale turbulences within Rossby waves, oceanic circulations may be less turbulent due to lower Reynolds numbers resulting from water's higher viscosity.
  • A reference to a specific oceanography text is provided, indicating that there may be established discussions on the topic.
  • A participant describes observing large systems (1000 miles in diameter) that become stationary and suggests a possible connection to Rossby waves, raising questions about the sequence of events leading to these systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the relationship between Rossby waves and oceanic vortices.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding and assumptions about the turbulence in oceanic versus atmospheric systems, which may affect their claims. The discussion does not clarify the definitions or conditions under which Rossby waves and vortices are being considered.

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Rossby waves in the atmosphere spawn vortices which are low pressure areas.

Is it possible that the Rossby waves in the ocean spawn vortices? If so, how big might they be?

Something tells me that I'm not going to get an answer to this question.
 
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Understanding very little of that topic I nevertheless dare to express some thoughts on it:
In atmosphere the creation of cyclones is due to smaller scale turbulences being embedded in the Rossby waves. I suppose that the oceanic circulations are much less turbulent on comparable length scales as the Reynolds numbers are much lower due to the higher viscosity of water as compared to air.
 
Yes, see

Oceanography by Summerhayes and Thorpe, p67
 
I'm watching for systems 1000 miles in diameter. Often they become stationary and all hell breaks loose. When they become stationary, there is often a Rossby Wave associated with the system. Which comes first: the Rossby Wave, the Super System, the temp/inverted Troposphere, an abnormal stationary updraft?
 

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