How can light travel through space and time if time stops at the speed of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of how light can travel through space and time if time is said to stop at the speed of light. Participants explore implications of special relativity (SR) regarding the perception of time for light and the frames of reference involved in measuring time and distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how light can travel if time stops at the speed of light, using the example of light from a star 12 light years away.
  • Another participant argues that statements about "time stopping at the speed of light" are imprecise and emphasize the need to specify the observer and their frame of reference.
  • A different participant reiterates the importance of specifying a frame of reference when discussing time in relativity, suggesting that time has stopped in the frame of reference of light.
  • One participant asserts that the second postulate of SR prohibits using the frame of reference of a photon, stating that no observer can travel at the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of time and frames of reference in the context of light traveling at the speed of light. There is no consensus on how to reconcile the concept of time stopping for light with its travel through space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of discussing time in relativity, noting that different frames of reference can lead to different interpretations of time passage. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

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If time stops at the speed of light, how does light travel through space and time? Example: The light from a star 12 light years away travels through space and takes 12 years to get to earth. But in those 12 years the time on the star has stoped. Same goes for the light that is leaving Earth and traveling to that star. No time is exchanged. Isnt the fact that light itself traveling at the speed of light mean there is no time at all, and that all things we see are now?
 
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These popular statements about "time stopping at the speed of light" etc. are not very precise, and lead to a lot of confusion. They don't specify which time one is talking about. In SR there are many different "times" and this must be specified. One must always specify the observer, and the relationship between the observer the phenomenon to be studied. This seems like a good intro to SR:

http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/252/

Torquil
 
binbots said:
If time stops at the speed of light, how does light travel through space and time? Example: The light from a star 12 light years away travels through space and takes 12 years to get to earth.
In relativity you can never say "it take 12 years". You must specify a frame of reference. I believe you mean "12 years in Earth's frame of reference".

But in those 12 years the time on the star has stoped.
What do you mean by "time on the star". Did you mean to say "time in the frame of reference of the light as it is traveling from the star to the earth"? It is true that time has stopped in the frame of reference of the light. Which is why it is better never to refer to such a frame of reference!

Same goes for the light that is leaving Earth and traveling to that star. No time is exchanged. Isnt the fact that light itself traveling at the speed of light mean there is no time at all, and that all things we see are now?
The fact that a certain amount of time has passed in one frame of does not mean that same amount of time has passed in another frame of reference. You cannot draw inferences from relativity while ignoring the basics: everything depends on the frame of reference.
 
I think the second postulate of SR, the constancy of the speed of light, would prohibit us using the frame of reference of a photon. In that frame of reference, the photon would be stationary; however, the photon must travel at c in every inertial frame, therefore, there can be no such frame in which the photon is at rest.

I think this is equivalent to saying that no observer can travel at speed c.
 

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