Exponent of disconnected Feynman diagrams

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The discussion revolves around the exponentiation of disconnected Feynman diagrams as presented in Peskin's text. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and conceptual understanding of how disconnected diagrams relate to connected ones, particularly focusing on the factors involved in their amplitudes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding Peskin's explanation, particularly regarding the meaning of 'n_i' and the factorization of connected pieces.
  • Another participant proposes that any disconnected diagram can be represented by specifying the number of connected diagrams it contains, leading to a formulation involving a product over the symmetry factors of these diagrams.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the 1/n! symmetry factor when multiple copies of the same connected diagram are present in a disconnected diagram.
  • Some participants suggest that creating personal examples may aid in understanding the generalization of the concepts discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the topic, indicating that there is no consensus on the explanation of the exponentiation of disconnected diagrams. Some participants find the existing explanations insufficient, while others provide alternative perspectives.

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Participants note the complexity of the topic, with references to advanced texts and prior studies in statistical physics, suggesting that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully articulated in the posts.

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hello, I am trying to follow the arguments in Peskin pages 96-97 where the exponentiation of disconnected diagrams are performed. I think the 'proof' is too 'not detailed' and was wondering if there exists a better explanation elsewhere?

My biggest question is the sentence on page 97 "The sum of the connected pieces factors out..." and what n_i is/means. I understand better if one starts with the most basic case, then do it for one more case, and then generalizes it - I think the generalization comes immediately here =/

best regards
 
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I studied this in the context of field theory in statistical physics quite some time ago. If the set of all conneceted diagrams is c_1, c_2, c_3,..., then any disconnected diagram can be written by specifying how many diagrams c_j it contains. If there are n_j diagrams c_j, then the amplitude is

Product over j of 1/n_j! c_j^n_j

Summing over all the disconnected diagrams, amounts to summing over all the possible values for n_j, which gives the result

exp[sum over j of c_j]
 
Thanx for your answer, but I still don't get it 100%, guess I need to make up an own example of this and then generalize it ;-)

I also had this in quantum field theory in statistical physics, but did not bother so much to understand this back then.. we also had a quite advanced book, it was not introductory (Tseliks book on QFT in condensed matter). But now I am studying more in Peskin, which is nicer, but not nice enough, for me.
 
Well, it all boils down to the 1/n! symmetry factor if you have n times the same connected diagram. So, you get a factor of c^n/n! if you have n copies of diagram c as part of your disconnected diagram... I don't think there is anything more to it than just this.
 

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