Feynman Diagrams: Uncovering the Issue

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Feynman diagrams in an educational context, specifically addressing a problem assigned to IB Physics students. Participants explore the implications of reading the diagrams in different orientations and the conventions related to arrow directions for particles and antiparticles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that if the Feynman diagram is read left to right, the lepton number of the incoming exchange particle would be -2, which raises concerns about the validity of the problem.
  • Another participant argues that the arrows in Feynman diagrams must follow established conventions and cannot be arbitrarily changed, suggesting that the problem does not adhere to these conventions.
  • A different participant expresses frustration that previous responses did not address their concerns and reiterates that they are questioning the validity of the problem, not the conventions themselves.
  • One participant emphasizes that the problem seems to violate the established conventions for arrow directions in Feynman diagrams, indicating a potential issue with the problem's formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the Feynman diagram and the adherence to established conventions. There is no consensus on whether the problem is valid or not.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the labeling and orientation of Feynman diagrams, as well as the implications of these factors on the interpretation of lepton numbers. The issue of arrow direction conventions is also a point of contention.

Cardinalmont
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Hello,

I assigned a work packet to my IB Physics students that guides them through how to make Feynman diagrams. This particular problem seems to have some issue, but perhaps it is something that myself and my class have all over looked.

Note: At the beginning of the packet it states that some diagrams have time go left to right and others down to up.

The issue we have is that the problems shows it should be read left to right. If the problem is read left to right, then the lepton number of the incoming exchange particle would have to be -2.
If the problem is read down to up, then this could be a rare case of pair production.

What do you think? Help please!

Second Note: The direction of the arrows for antiparticles such us the antimuon are meant to go against the flow of time.
 

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Cardinalmont said:
If the problem is read left to right

It is labeled "before" and "after"

Cardinalmont said:
then the lepton number of the incoming exchange particle would have to be -2.

The arrows don't match the labels. "Against the flow of time" is nonsense. There is a convention for arrows; one cannot just pick another one.
 
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Both things that you addressed were things that I had already addressed in my original post and were not helpful. I stated that the problem was to be read from left to right, this is based on the label before and after. I also stated the convention for arrows in the second note of my post.

Maybe I was unclear. I did not create this work packet, nor did I create these conventions. I am just asking if this problem is definitely invalid
 
Let me repeat. There is a convention for arrows; one cannot just pick another one. This problem seems not to have followed the convention. There's no more that can really be said.
 

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