Exponential Distribution memory loss

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the memory loss property of the exponential distribution, specifically focusing on the probability expressions related to this property.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of the memory loss property and its mathematical formulation. There are attempts to compute probabilities using integrals, but uncertainty arises regarding the correct interpretation of joint probabilities and conditional probabilities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the notation and expressions used in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the probabilities, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typographical errors in the problem statement and discuss the implications of these errors on the understanding of the memory loss property. There is also mention of the terminology used, with "memoryless" being highlighted as the more common term.

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Homework Statement



Show that the exponential distribution has the memory loss property.


Homework Equations



[tex]f_T(t) = \frac{1}{\beta}e^{-t/\beta}[/tex]

The memory loss property exists if we can show that

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1) = P(X>s_2)[/tex]

Where

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1)=\frac{P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)}{P(X>s_1)}[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution



For [itex]P(X>s_2)[/itex] I computed the integral

[tex]1-\int_0^{s_2}f_T(t)dt[/tex]

And similarly I found [itex]P(X>s_1)[/itex] but I'm unsure how to find [itex]P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)[/itex] to complete the problem.
 
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Mentallic said:

Homework Statement



Show that the exponential distribution has the memory loss property.


Homework Equations



[tex]f_T(t) = \frac{1}{\beta}e^{-t/\beta}[/tex]

The memory loss property exists if we can show that

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1) = P(X>s_2)[/tex]

Where

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1)=\frac{P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)}{P(X>s_1)}[/tex]
This is miswritten- probably a typo. You mean
[tex]P(X> x_1+ s_2|X> s_1)= \frac{P(X> s_1+ s_2)}{P(X> s_1)}[/tex]
That is, the numerator on the right is NOT the condition probability (if it were you could cancel it with the left).



The Attempt at a Solution



For [itex]P(X>s_2)[/itex] I computed the integral

[tex]1-\int_0^{s_2}f_T(t)dt[/tex]

And similarly I found [itex]P(X>s_1)[/itex] but I'm unsure how to find [itex]P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)[/itex] to complete the problem.
That would be
[tex]\frac{1- \beta\int_0^{s_1+ s_2}e^{-t/\beta} dt}{1- \beta\int_0^{s_1} e^{-t/\beta}dt}[/tex]
 
Mentallic said:

Homework Statement



Show that the exponential distribution has the memory loss property.


Homework Equations



[tex]f_T(t) = \frac{1}{\beta}e^{-t/\beta}[/tex]

The memory loss property exists if we can show that

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1) = P(X>s_2)[/tex]

Where

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2|X>s_1)=\frac{P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)}{P(X>s_1)}[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution



For [itex]P(X>s_2)[/itex] I computed the integral

[tex]1-\int_0^{s_2}f_T(t)dt[/tex]

And similarly I found [itex]P(X>s_1)[/itex] but I'm unsure how to find [itex]P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)[/itex] to complete the problem.

This property is normally called memoryless, not memory loss. Anyway, if ##s_1, s_2 > 0## then ##P(X > s_1+s_2, X > s_1) = P(X > s_1 + s_2),## because if ##X > s_1 + s_2## then we automatically have ##X > s_1##.
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is miswritten- probably a typo. You mean
[tex]P(X> x_1+ s_2|X> s_1)= \frac{P(X> s_1+ s_2)}{P(X> s_1)}[/tex]
That is, the numerator on the right is NOT the condition probability (if it were you could cancel it with the left).

Actually I had it right the first time, but I didn't quite understand what it meant. I now realize that my notes' mention of

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2,X>s_1)[/tex]

is equivalent to

[tex]P(X>s_1+s_2 \cap X>s_1)[/tex]

and Ray supported that claim:

Ray Vickson said:
Anyway, if ##s_1, s_2 > 0## then ##P(X > s_1+s_2, X > s_1) = P(X > s_1 + s_2),## because if ##X > s_1 + s_2## then we automatically have ##X > s_1##.

Thanks guys!

Ray Vickson said:
This property is normally called memoryless, not memory loss.

Yeah, that's my fault :biggrin:
 

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