Exponential Equation System: Solving 3^xy=2^yx and 12^xx=3^y4

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The discussion revolves around a system of exponential equations involving variables both as exponents and bases, specifically the equations 3^xy=2^yx and 12^xx=3^y4. Participants are exploring the complexities of solving these equations, which may not yield solutions in terms of elementary functions.

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to manipulate the equations, including taking logarithms and using substitutions. There are questions about the solvability of the system and whether it can be simplified further. Some suggest using change of base for logarithms as a potential approach.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different methods and expressing uncertainty about the next steps. There is no consensus on the solvability of the system, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note that the original problem may have been simplified from a more complex form, which could impact the discussion. There is also mention of potential constraints related to the use of elementary functions in finding solutions.

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Homework Statement


Solve this system of equations:

[tex]3^xy=2^yx[/tex]
[tex]12^xx=3^y4[/tex]

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I was solving and came up, till here:
[tex]x=\frac{3^xy}{2^y}[/tex]
[tex]6^y4=36^x[/tex]

Please help. Thanks.
 
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Actually I'm surprised you were able to get that far! Most equations that involve variables both "inside" and "outside" transcendental functions cannot be solved in terms of elementary functions.

Once you are at
[tex]6^y4= 36^x= (6^2)^x= 6^{2x}[/tex]
You can take the logarithm of both sides:
[tex]y ln(6)+ ln 4= 2x ln 5[/tex]
Where you would go from there, I have no idea.
 
This system of equations have no solution?
 
I didn't say that. It said it might not be possible to solve it using elementary functions.
 
The actual problem was:

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But I simplify it to the one above.
 
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Try using change of base of the logarithm functions first, and then try. Put then into either base 2 or base 3. I have not tried this in your exercise but believe it's worth trying.
 
I tried on several ways and it didn't worked.

btw- on the first post should be:
[tex] 6^y4=36^xy[/tex]
 
Use Hall of Ivy substitution

in the above equation: (6^2x)y=(6^y)4.
 
Maybe
[tex]log_66^y4=log_66^2xy[/tex]

[tex]y+log_64=2x+log_6y[/tex]

But where I will go out of herE?
 

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