Expressing Vector v in the Same Plane as u1 and u2

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The problem involves determining whether the vector v = (2, -7, 1) lies in the same plane as the vectors u1 = (2, -1, 3) and u2 = (1, 1, 2), and expressing v in terms of the basis formed by u1 and u2.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use the concept of linear dependence to establish coplanarity and expresses v as a linear combination of u1 and u2. Some participants question the use of the scalar triple product for coplanarity, suggesting it may not be applicable in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes validation of the original poster's approach, with some participants expressing agreement on the method used. However, there are alternative suggestions regarding the use of the scalar triple product, leading to a mix of interpretations about the best approach.

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Participants are navigating the concepts of linear algebra and coplanarity, with some expressing uncertainty about the methods and seeking critical feedback on their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



The problem is to decide that the vector v = (2, -7, 1) lies in the same plane M as the vectors u1 = (2, -1, 3) and u2 = (1, 1 ,2) and express v as coordinates in the base u1, u2



Homework Equations



I decided to utilize that if the three vetors lies in the same plane, they must be linear dependent. If we assume that u1 and u2 lies in the same plane as v then we can express v as:

v = s1u1 + s2u2

Then

s1u1 + s2u2 - s3v = 0

If they are linearily dependent they must lie in the same plane. Right?

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved the linear equation that the above relationship gives and finds that one of the equations is 0 = 0, hence it has infinitely many solutions, i.e s1 and s2 can be arbitraily chosen. (Right?)

I could now write v as coordinates in u1 and u2

By solving

s1u1 + s2u2 = (2, -7, 1)​

for s1 and s2.

I got the answer

v = 3u1 - 4u2

Which was correct, according to the book.

Now, i would like to know if this is a correct way to solve this problem, or if i was just getting lucky. This is my first attempt att liear algebra so I have no good intuition about the methods to solve this types of problems.

Please be as critical as you can!

Please point out any faults or "fuzzy thinking" I've done :)

Happy New Years!

P.s

Thanks in advance!
 
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That seems like a perfectly fine solution to me. You seem to be pretty clear on all of the steps.
 


I think it will be better to use scalar triple product for coplanarity .
 


amaresh92 said:
I think it will be better to use scalar triple product for coplanarity .
I disagree.

1) This is linear algebra and the scalar triple product is only defined for R3.

2) The problem also asked that v be written in terms of u1 and u2 and the scalar triple product doesn't help you do that.
 


Good to know that my method to solve this problem was correct.

Thanks a lot for your replies!
 

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