Extend Magnetic Field Density from magnetic object's surface?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to increase the magnetic field density extending from the surface of a magnetic object, with a focus on applications such as inducing electromotive force (EMF) in copper wire. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of different types of magnets, configurations of coils, and the incorporation of materials like iron and copper.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to increase magnetic field density from a magnet's surface to induce greater EMF in a copper wire.
  • Another participant mentions that relative motion between copper and a permanent magnet can create braking action through eddy currents, which are induced by changing magnetic fields.
  • A suggestion is made that using ferrous materials can help concentrate magnetic field lines, but further details about the application are requested for more specific advice.
  • There is a proposal that using stronger magnets, such as rare Earth magnets, could enhance magnetic field density.
  • A question is raised about whether a friction-charged object could have a greater field density but lesser pull force compared to standard magnets, with a clarification that static charge produces only an electric field, not a magnetic field.
  • Participants discuss the configuration of a ring magnet and copper coil, questioning if having the coil pass through the magnet could yield greater EMF.
  • There is an inquiry about the potential benefits of incorporating an iron core or using a hollow lead core with wire wrapped around it to increase EMF.
  • A comparison is made between the effects of a copper tube and a copper coil of similar surface area on magnetic field interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how to increase magnetic field density and induce EMF, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the effectiveness of the proposed methods. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for more specific details about the intended application to provide focused advice. There are also references to the limitations of static charge in generating magnetic fields.

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I am new to the site I apologize If I am posting incorrectly or doing something wrong. I need help figuring out how to increase magnetic field density (gauss/tesla's) extending from a magnetic object's surface, most magnets magnetic density is all in the center. I need this in order to induce a greater electromotive force on a copper wire. would an object charged by way of friction (rabbit fur on glass rod) have a greater field density but lesser pull force than your standard magnet? also could I take a ring magnet who's field density is concentrated most in the open center and have a copper coil pass through it in the center as opposed to having the magnet pass through the inside of a coil give me a greater EMF? and lastly, can I somehow incorporate an iron core to increase the EMF? maybe have the wire wrapped around a hollow lead core then pass a magnet through its center? and does a copper tube yield the same effect as a copper coil of a similar surface area?
 
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In general, you can get much braking action between the copper and the permanent magnet, provided the copper is moving relative to the magnet. The copper does not become magnetized, but EMF's from the changing magnetic field that the copper sees cause eddy currents in the copper, and these eddy currents experience forces from the magnetic field of the magnet that slow the motion of the copper.:welcome:
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
Wesleyk89 said:
I need help figuring out how to increase magnetic field density (gauss/tesla's) extending from a magnetic object's surface,
The main way you can concentrate magnetic field lines is by being careful about containing them in a ferrous material (shielding, cores, etc.).

Your post is general enough and variable enough that I'm not able to offer much yet. Can you say more about the application? And maybe Upload a sketch of what you are trying to build? That would help a lot in focusing this discussion. Thanks very much.
 
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Wesleyk89 said:
I need help figuring out how to increase magnetic field density (gauss/tesla's) extending from a magnetic object's surface, most magnets magnetic density is all in the centre

get a stronger magnet ... rare Earth types

Wesleyk89 said:
would an object charged by way of friction (rabbit fur on glass rod) have a greater field density but lesser pull force than your standard magnet?

for something like that ... a static charge, there is only an electric field, ie. zero magnetic field
 

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