Extremal Kerr Black holes, and their associated temperature.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of extremal Kerr black holes, particularly focusing on their associated temperature and entropy. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and the physical existence of such black holes within the framework of general relativity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the temperature of an extremal Kerr black hole and notes that the surface gravity appears to be zero, suggesting a zero temperature, which raises questions about the existence of extremal black holes in the universe.
  • Another participant references the third law of black hole mechanics, asserting that reaching the critical ratio for zero temperature in finite time is impossible.
  • There is a question about whether an extremal black hole possesses zero temperature and entropy, with some participants affirming this idea.
  • One participant argues that if a Kerr black hole reaches a/M=1, it would no longer be classified as a black hole due to the convergence of event horizons, potentially leading to a naked singularity.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that a naked singularity can only occur if a/M is greater than 1, suggesting that a single event horizon still exists at a/M=1.
  • Discussion includes the implications of higher dimensions on the properties of extremal black holes, noting differences in area and temperature between 4D and 5D scenarios.
  • Some participants mention that while the temperature of an extremal black hole is generally believed to be zero, there are recent views suggesting it may have a non-thermal spectrum and that its temperature cannot be defined.
  • Debate exists regarding the entropy of extremal black holes, with references to string theory calculations that suggest non-zero entropy despite some semiclassical calculations indicating zero entropy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the temperature and entropy of extremal Kerr black holes, with no consensus reached on the implications of these properties or the existence of such black holes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding, including unresolved mathematical steps and the dependence on definitions related to extremal black holes and their properties.

Harenil
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So I was calculating the temperature for a extremal Kerr black hole. G2*M2 = a2, where a = J/m. Using T = kappa / 2 /Pi... I'm assuming this is the correct approach. But my question is...

The surface gravity of an extremal Kerr black hole appears to be zero, leading to a zero temperature. Well, this baffles me, but seems to point to the non existence of extremal black holes in the physical universe. In my GR class we discussed the possibility of creating a naked singularity by hurling additional momentum into a black hole, and decided that it was simply impossible, but we never stated whether or not an extremal black hole could be formed. It seems that as a2 approaches G2*M2, the surface gravity, and thus the temperature drops. This seems counter intuitive to me, and points to a likely possibility that astrophysical Kerr black holes have a near zero surface temperature. Anyone care to shed some light/insight on the subject?

Daniel
 
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According to the third law of black hole mechanics it should be indeed impossible to accrete a black hole to the critical ratio for which the temperature is zero in finite time. See Bardeen, Carter, Hawking, "The four laws of black hole mechanics", Commun. math. Phys. 31, 161-170 (1973).
 
Thank you very much, I will have to check that out.

So I am correct that an extremal black hole will possesses zero temperature and entropy?
 
Harenil said:
So I am correct that an extremal black hole will possesses zero temperature and entropy?

Technically, if a Kerr black hole attained a/M=1 then it would no longer be a black hole. The inner and outer event horizons would converge at M (gravitational radius), leaving a naked singularity in time-like space.
 
I was under the impression that you could not have a naked singularity unless a/M was greater than 1. And if a/M = 1, then there was a single event horizon, but an event horizon none the less.
 
At a=M the horizon would be degenerate due to the Killing surface gravity becoming zero at the Killing horizon. If there is no surface gravity (κ) then there is technically no temperature. It seems the subject of extremal Kerr black holes brings up the subject of higher dimensions. In one source that mentions multiple dimensions, in d=4 the degenerate horizon still has an area but in d=5, the area becomes zero and a maximal Kerr solution is considered a naked singularity.

source (beneath equation 37)-
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2008-6/articlese4.html Another paper that might be of interest-
'The Entropy Function for the extremal Kerr-(anti-)de Sitter Black Holes'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0804/0804.3811v2.pdfAnother source states-
An extremal black hole is one for which |a/M=1|. For an extremal black hole, κ vanishes and A=4π(2M^2). Thus, an extremal black hole has zero "temperature", but nonzero "entropy".


'Introductory Lectures on Black Hole Thermodynamics' by Ted Jacobson
http://www.physics.umd.edu/grt/taj/776b/lectures.pdf
page 14So it looks like in d=4, the extremal Kerr black hole has zero temperature but non-zero entropy.
 
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Quite fascinating, thank you very much.
 
Harenil said:
Thank you very much, I will have to check that out.
So I am correct that an extremal black hole will possesses zero temperature and entropy?

The temperature of an extremal black hole is generally believed to be zero, there are however recent views suggesting that an extremal black hole must have a non-thermal spectrum and that its temperature cannot be defined.

Concerning the entropy of an extremal black hole, string theory calculations enforce the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of the horizon area. However, this is also debated. Semiclassical calculations indicate zero entropy despite a nonzero horizon area, such as Hawking and Horowitz, "Entropy, area, and black hole pairs", Phys. Rev. D 51, 4302-4314 (1995).
 
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