F frequency of small diameter organ pipe

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The discussion revolves around determining the fundamental frequency of a small diameter organ pipe, specifically one that is closed at one end. Participants are exploring the relationships between frequency, length, and diameter of the pipe in the context of sound wave behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are considering multiple choice answers regarding the relationship of frequency to length and diameter. Some are questioning the relevance of diameter to frequency, while others are referencing formulas related to closed organ pipes and their harmonics.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants attempting to clarify the formulas associated with closed organ pipes. There is a mix of confusion and attempts to eliminate certain options based on reasoning about the effects of diameter and length on frequency.

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Participants note that the organ pipe is closed at one end, which influences the standing wave patterns. There is also mention of textbook references that may provide additional context or formulas, but some participants express uncertainty about their applicability to the question at hand.

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This is a multiple choice question

The fundamental frequency of a small diameter organ pipe is

a) directly proportional to its length
b) inversely proportional to its length
c) independent of its length
d) inversely proportional to its diameter
e) directly proportional to its diameter

well this is what i know (assume)

the organ pipe is closed at one end

what formulas should i consider solving this problem
 
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mukundpa said:
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whats that suppose to mean
 
in your textbook i think they have derived formulae for fundamental frequency and their overtones for open and cloced organ pipes, with the diagrams.
 
the only formula i see is

Ln=(2n=1) wavlength/4

which doesn't describe the question

Right now I am thinking that the diameter has no effect because, all diameter does is increase or decrease the amplitude of the wavelength which effects the loudness or intensity of the sound.

So therefore d and e are eliminated

The length of the pipe determines how many waves can fit in the pipe.

umm so confused
 
dont get confused,
The formula is about the of a closed tube rasonating with nth harmonic of a given frequency f, and is
Ln=(2n-1) wavlength/4
( if it is + it is for nth overtone)
(n = 1) gives first hormonic or fundamentalfrequency,length is wavlength/4
(n = 2) gives first overtone frequency, length is 3*wavlength/4
(n = 3) gives second overtone frequency, length of tube is 5*wavlength/4 and so on
forget this here
Now on to the question
The frequency is given by
f = c/lembda = wave velocity / wavelength
in a colsed organ pipe standing waves will be produces with wavelength
4L(fundamental)= f0
4L/3(first overtone) = f1 = 3f0
5L/4(second overtone) =f2 =5f0 and so on
so the fundamental frequency of a close orgon pipe is
f0 = c/(4*L)
 

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