F(x) = f(Ax) iff |x| = |y| => f(x) = f(y), how?

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The discussion centers on proving the equivalence of the function property \( f(x) = f(Ax) \) for a function \( f:\mathbb{R}^k\rightarrow \mathbb{C} \) and the condition \( \|x\| = \|y\| \Rightarrow f(x) = f(y) \), where \( A \) is an orthonormal matrix. The proof establishes that if \( f(Ax) = f(x) \), then for any \( y \in \mathbb{R}^k \), there exists an \( x \) such that \( Ax = y \), preserving the norm. The reverse implication is supported by the existence of a unique orthonormal matrix \( A \) that relates the bases of \( \mathbb{R}^k \), confirming that if \( \|x\| = \|y\| \), then \( f(x) = f(y) \) holds true.

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Homework Statement


I have to show that for [itex]f:\mathbb{R}^k\rightarrow \mathbb{C}[/itex] the following holds

[tex]f(x) = f(Ax)\qquad \Leftrightarrow \qquad \|x\| = \|y\|\quad \Rightarrow\quad f(x) = f(y)[/tex]

For every orthonormal n x n-matrices A and [itex]x,y\in\mathbb{R}^k[/itex]


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This problems seems kinda trivial but I can't seem to show this rigorously.

Assuming [itex]f(Ax) = f(x)[/itex], then since the linear map [itex]A:\mathbb{R}^k\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^k[/itex] is bijective, we can say that for every [itex]y\in\mathbb{R}^k[/itex] there is an [itex]x\in\mathbb{R}^k[/itex] such that [itex]Ax=y[/itex], since A is an orthonormal matrix we also have that [itex]\|y\|=\|Ax\| = \|x\|[/itex].
Now since [itex]f=f\circ A[/itex] we have [itex]f(x) = f(Ax) = f(y)[/itex]
So this proves the implication to the right.

To prove the implication to the left, can I then argue the same way saying that if [itex]\|x \| = \|y\|[/itex] then there exists and orthonormal matrix A such that [itex]Ax = y[/itex]? Is so then we already have that [itex]f(x) = f(y)[/itex] and since [itex]f(y) = f(Ax)[/itex], we have [itex]f(x) = f(Ax)[/itex], and this ends the proof??

There is a hint saying that if [itex][e_1,\ldots,e_k][/itex] and [itex][f_1,\ldots,f_k][/itex] are 2 bases for R^k there exists only 1 nonsingular matrix A, such that [itex]Ae_i = f_i[/itex], i = 1,..,k. And if both bases are orthonormal then A is orthonormal.
How do I use this hint? Or did I use it while talking about the existence of y = Ax?
 
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You use the hint to show that if |x|=|y| then there is an A such that Ax=y. Construct your orthonormal bases such that c*e_1=x and c*f_1=y for some constant c.
 

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