Factor of Safety: Alum. & Rivets

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The discussion revolves around calculating the factor of safety for rivets and aluminum strips in a mechanical principles assessment. Participants analyze the application of tensile and shear stresses in the context of a riveted joint under load, addressing potential errors in calculations and interpretations of material properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the factor of safety for rivets and aluminum, initially using incorrect areas and stress types.
  • Another participant points out the confusion between tensile and shear stresses, emphasizing that rivets experience shear stress while aluminum strips are under tensile stress.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction and provides revised calculations, but still struggles with the correct interpretation of the factor of safety formula.
  • Participants discuss the potential misunderstanding of ultimate shear strength versus ultimate tensile strength in the context of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations presented, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the factor of safety formula for the rivets and the distinction between shear and tensile strengths.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct application of the factor of safety formula and the definitions of ultimate shear strength versus ultimate tensile strength, which may affect the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


TWO ALUMINIUM STRIPS EACH 75mmx5mm ARE RIVETED TOGETHER TO FORM A CONTINUOUS LENGTH THE JOINT IS MADE USING 6 RIVETS EACH 5mm IN DIA THE ULTIMATE SHEAR STRENGTH OF THE RIVET MATERIAL IS 70MN/m2 AND THE UTS OF THE ALUMINIUM IS 30MN/m2 IF THE MAXIMUM TENSILE FORCE APPLIED TO THE CONTINUOUS STRIP IS 1.875KN DETERMINE THE FACTOR OF SAFETY FOR (a) THE RIVETS (b) THE ALUMINIUM


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area for rivets piex5x10-32/4 x 6 =1.178x10-4 area for aluminium 75x10-3x5x10-3 x 2 = 750 x 10-6 shear stress for rivets = 1.875x10 3/1.178x10-4=15.91x10 6 shear stress for aluminium=1.875x10 3 / 750 x 10-6=2.5x 10 6 factor of safety for aluminium=30x10 6 / 2.5 x 10 6 = 12 factor of safety for rivets = 70 x 10 6/ 15.91 x 10 6 = 4.39
 
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I didn't check your math, but I note that you are looking for the tensile stress in the aluminum, not shear as you indicate, , and that you have used the wrong area in determining that tensile stress (you're off by a multiplicative factor).
 
where have i went wrong as i thought this was correct?
 
series111 said:
area for aluminium 75x10-3x5x10-3 x 2 [/color] = 750 x 10-6
Your error is noted in red
 
thanks i did only one plane first but then i multiplyed it by 2 because i got confused with shear stress thanks again i will post my answers and if you would be so kind to check them i will be most gratefull as this is part of my first mechanical principles assessment.
 
series111 said:
thanks i did only one plane first but then i multiplyed it by 2 because i got confused with shear stress thanks again this is my new answers and if you would be so kind to check them i will be most gratefull as this is part of my first mechanical principles assessment.

area of rivets = pie x 5x10-3 2/4 x 6 =1.178 x 10 -4

area of aluminium= 75x 10 -3 x 5 x 10 -3 = 0.375 x 10 -3

tensile stress of rivets =1.875 x 10 3 / 1.178x 10-4 = 15.91 x 10 6

tensile stress of aluminium = 1.875 x 10 3 / 0.375 x 10 -3 = 5 x 10 6

factor of safety for rivets = 70 x 10 6 / 15.91 x 10 6 = 4.39

factor of safety for aluminium = 30 x 10 6 / 5 x 10 6 = 6
 
series111 said:
area of rivets = pie x 5x10-3 2/4 x 6 =1.178 x 10 -4

area of aluminium= 75x 10 -3 x 5 x 10 -3 = 0.375 x 10 -3

tensile you mean to say SHEAR [/color]stress of rivets =1.875 x 10 3 / 1.178x 10-4 = 15.91 x 10 6

tensile stress of aluminium = 1.875 x 10 3 / 0.375 x 10 -3 = 5 x 10 6

factor of safety for rivets = 70 x 10 6 / 15.91 x 10 6 = 4.39

factor of safety for aluminium = 30 x 10 6 / 5 x 10 6 = 6
Your numbers are now correct, but you are confusing the differences between shear and tensile stresses. The rivets are in shear, the aluminum strips are in tension. Picture two strips of aluminum, each say 1 meter long, and riveted together at one overlapping end with 6 rivets, so that now the strip is almost 2 meters long (it is slightly less than 2 meters due to the overlap, but the length does not matter in this problem, I just want to be sure you see the problem correctly). Now you apply the 1.875kN tensile load, which puts the strips in tension (force perpendicular to the cross sectional area of the strip causing tensile stress), and puts the rivets in shear (force parallel to the area of the rivets, causing shear stress).
 
thanks very much i am trying to cram so much information in as i have just returned to education after 10 year spell off and i am confusing myself that why i joined this forum as i need all the help i can get thanks again mark.
 
hi again just got my assessment back and all figures are correct but the factor safety formula for the rivets is wrong this is what a put fs= uts/stress and i don't no whyit is wrong can you help as it is confusing me hope you can help again thanks mark.
 
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series111 said:
hi again just got my assessment back and all figures are correct but the factor safety formula for the rivets is wrong this is what a put fs= uts/stress and i don't no whyit is wrong can you help as it is confusing me hope you can help again thanks mark.
I don't know either unless it's due to not rounding off; FS in rivets is 4.398 perhaps they are looking for 4.4 or even just 4? Your numbers and method look correct .
 
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The answer is correct it is just the uts that wrong because in the question it states the ultimate shear strength of the rivet material is 70MN/m2 but i took this as ultimate tensile strength as i thought it was the same sign for ultimate shear strength
 

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