Factoring polynomials-Can there be fractions?

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The discussion revolves around the factoring of polynomials, specifically addressing the possibility of obtaining linear factors that include fractions rather than just integers. The original poster expresses confusion about whether fractions can be part of the factorization process and whether it is necessary to convert these fractions into integers.

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  • Participants explore the validity of factoring polynomials that result in fractional linear factors and question whether such forms are acceptable. There are inquiries about the necessity of converting these fractions into integers for the factorization to be considered valid.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into the nature of polynomial factorization, noting that the presence of fractions does not invalidate the factorization. However, there is ongoing exploration of the implications of including parameters to achieve integer factors, with no clear consensus reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the rational root theorem and its relevance to determining the nature of roots in polynomial equations, indicating that the coefficients may influence the factorization process. The original poster's repeated inquiries suggest a struggle with the foundational concepts of polynomial factorization.

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Homework Statement



I want to factor polynomials. However, I want to know how it is possible to factor polynomials where the linear factors that result do not have integers but rather fractions.

Should we continue factoring if there are fractions, or do we have to stop?

Say we have this factorised form:

(x-0,155266)(x-0,3256)

Is it a factorised form? Or should we find add a parameter to make it integers, i.e.:
a(x-integer1)(x-integrer2)

I have been doing problems involving factoring and I don't get the concept.
 
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The pricipal used for factorising is

x2 - Sx + P.

where S = α+β
and P = α*β

Which only works handy for integers.
For the problem you posted is not easy to factorise. If you start factorising them using the above two equations.
 
So, what do you suggest, do i add a fraction at the beginning of the terms to make the linear factors integers?
 
If you have (x^2 - 4), you get two nice factors: (x - 2)*(x + 2) = (x^2 - 4)

If you have (x^2 - (9/4)), you get two slightly more complicated factors: (x - (3/2))*(x + (3/2))

What happens if you have (x^2 - 2)?
 
I think that if that number, integer or not makes the polynomial 0 then it is a factor .
 
alingy1 said:

Homework Statement



I want to factor polynomials. However, I want to know how it is possible to factor polynomials where the linear factors that result do not have integers but rather fractions.

Should we continue factoring if there are fractions, or do we have to stop?

Say we have this factorised form:

(x-0,155266)(x-0,3256)

Is it a factorised form? Or should we find add a parameter to make it integers, i.e.:
a(x-integer1)(x-integrer2)

I have been doing problems involving factoring and I don't get the concept.

Of course your polynomial above is in factored form! The factored form of a polynomial ##p(x)## is
p(x) = a(x-r_1)(x-r_2) \cdots (x-r_n)
Here the numbers ##r_1, r_2, \ldots, r_n## are the roots (or zeros) of ##p(x)##. There is no requirement that they be integers or fractions, or even real numbers. (Note: some books may say differently, so always check your sources and use the definitions that go along with the course you are taking!)

The more difficult problem is: starting with the polynomial
p(x) = a_n x^n + a_{n-1} x^{n-1} + \cdots + a_1 x + a_0,
find the factored form. That requires finding all the roots of ##p(x)##.

If the coefficients ##a_0, a_1, \ldots, a_n## are all integers, the question is: does ##p(x)## have rational roots, or not? The rational root theorem handles this question; it gives a finite procedure for deciding the question. If the rational root test passes it discovers/delivers a rational root (so at least one of the roots ##r_1, \ldots, r_n## is rational); if the test fails, none of the roots are rational, and finding even one of the roots may be difficult, possibly requiring numerical solution methods.
 
alingy1 said:

Homework Statement



I want to factor polynomials. However, I want to know how it is possible to factor polynomials where the linear factors that result do not have integers but rather fractions.

Should we continue factoring if there are fractions, or do we have to stop?

Say we have this factorised form:

(x-0,155266)(x-0,3256)

Is it a factorised form? Or should we find add a parameter to make it integers, i.e.:
a(x-integer1)(x-integrer2)

I have been doing problems involving factoring and I don't get the concept.
The question is "What is your purpose in factoring?". Often we factor a quadratic expression to solve the equation= 0. If so, the original form is ideal. As for including a "parameter" as a(x- integer1)(x- integer2) you cannot do that- that would no longer be the same expression. For example, if a quadratic factors as (x- 1/2)(x- 1/3) you seem to be thinking that you can take out the denoinators: (1/6)(x- 1)(x- 1) but that is NOT correct. What you would have would be (1/6)(2x- 1)(3x- 1).
 

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