Failed Calculus Quiz: Did I Get the First Question Right?

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The discussion revolves around a calculus quiz question concerning the limit of a function as x approaches -3. Participants explore the limit of the expression involving the square root of x squared divided by x, discussing various approaches to solving the problem and the implications of their findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the limit as \(\lim_{x \to -3} \frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}\) and suggests that the square root can be expressed as the absolute value of x.
  • Another participant argues that as x approaches -3, the absolute value of x becomes -x, leading to the limit simplifying to -1.
  • Some participants agree that plugging in -3 directly yields -1, supported by the continuity of the functions involved.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the limit as x approaches 0, with one participant noting that it does not exist due to differing values from the left and right approaches.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of limits, indicating difficulty in answering related questions.
  • In a later part of the discussion, participants shift focus to another limit problem, \(\lim_{x\to2}{{x^2-4}\over{x^3-8}}\), discussing factoring techniques and the relevance of common terms in the expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limit approaching -1 as x approaches -3, but there is some uncertainty regarding the limit as x approaches 0. The discussion about the second limit problem remains unresolved, with participants exploring different factoring methods without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about limits and their implications, indicating a potential gap in understanding foundational concepts. The discussion includes various approaches to solving the limit problems, but not all steps or assumptions are fully articulated.

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This discussion may be useful for students struggling with calculus concepts, particularly limits and factoring techniques, as well as those seeking different perspectives on problem-solving approaches in mathematics.

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Hey all, I just finished (aka, failed epically) a calculus quiz about 10 minutes ago. I'm in my school library right now and I'm just wondering if I got the first question of the quiz right.

I'm just going to say what the question was since latex is bloody impossible to use.

limit of x -> -3 when square root of x2 is over x
 
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macbowes said:
Hey all, I just finished (aka, failed epically) a calculus quiz about 10 minutes ago. I'm in my school library right now and I'm just wondering if I got the first question of the quiz right.

I'm just going to say what the question was since latex is bloody impossible to use.

limit of x -> -3 when square root of x2 is over x
Tell me what you answered, and I'll tell you if it was right! :smile:
 
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I quite like LaTeX! You mean:
[tex] \lim_{x \to -3} \frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}[/tex]?

There's another way to write [tex]\sqrt{x^2}[/tex] that might be helpful.
 
Hey, here is how i would approach the problem :

Lets start the the square root part , squareroot of (X^2) = absolute value of x ,

now as x approaches -3 , x is negative which means that absolute value of x = -x ( hopefully you see where I'm going with this.

Now what you've got here basically comes down to lim (as x approaches -3) of (-x/x) which is -1.

Another less elaborate and more straightforward way of doing this is by simply plugging in -3, you also get -1 as the answer (and this can be justified by the fact that the function squareroot of X^2 and the function 1/x are both continuous at -3 )
 
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[tex]\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}= \frac{|x|}{x}[/tex<br /> If x< 0, that is -1. If x> 0, that is 1.<br /> <br /> Of course, if you are approaching -3, the only numbers you need to consider are negative numbers, so that is exactly the same as <br /> [tex]\lim_{x\to -3} -1[/tex]<br /> <br /> (The problem would be more interesting if the limit were at x= 0.)[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{x^2}}{x}= \frac{|x|}{x}[/tex<br /> If x< 0, that is -1. If x> 0, that is 1.<br /> <br /> Of course, if you are approaching -3, the only numbers you need to consider are negative numbers, so that is exactly the same as <br /> [tex]\lim_{x\to -3} -1[/tex]<br /> <br /> (The problem would be more interesting if the limit were at x= 0.)[/tex]
[tex] <br /> <br /> <b><i>Of course that limit would not exist ...right?</i></b>[/tex]
 
Ultimsolution said:
Of course that limit would not exist ...right?

Why do you think that? Ignoring the signs, the numerator is the same as the denominator. When you approach -3, the numerator is positive and the denominator is negative. So...
 
gb7nash said:
Why do you think that? Ignoring the signs, the numerator is the same as the denominator. When you approach -3, the numerator is positive and the denominator is negative. So...

I am not discussing here the limit when x approaches -3...it's been estblished many posts ago that it is -1... When HalsoIvy said that it would be a lot more interesting to evaluate that limit when x---> 0, he/she awakened my curiosity and I evaluated it and found thatit doesn't exist...It doesnt... right?
 
Ultimsolution said:
I am not discussing here the limit when x approaches -3...it's been estblished many posts ago that it is -1... When HalsoIvy said that it would be a lot more interesting to evaluate that limit when x---> 0, he/she awakened my curiosity and I evaluated it and found thatit doesn't exist...It doesnt... right?

Ah, my mistake. You would be right, if it approaches 0. If you approach from the left, you get -1, if you approach from the right, you get +1.
 
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Ultimsolution said:
Hey, here is how i would approach the problem :

Lets start the the square root part , squareroot of (X^2) = absolute value of x ,

now as x approaches -3 , x is negative which means that absolute value of x = -x ( hopefully you see where I'm going with this.

Now what you've got here basically comes down to lim (as x approaches -3) of (-x/x) which is -1.

Another less elaborate and more straightforward way of doing this is by simply plugging in -3, you also get -1 as the answer (and this can be justified by the fact that the function squareroot of X^2 and the function 1/x are both continuous at -3 )
This is basically what I answered. I ended up getting -1, but I didn't even know what that -1 meant, and I had no idea if I was even close to right. I think my trouble is that I don't understand limits or what they are, so it makes answering questions about them difficult.

EDIT: Okay, so I know I got that question right. The next question was:

[tex] lim_{x\to2}{{x^2-4}\over{x^3-8}}[/tex]

I tried to complete the square on the top, but then I couldn't figure out how to factor the bottom. Yes, I hate factoring. I got that far, got really frustrated, then just packed up my stuff and handed my prof my quiz.
 
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What's a common term between [tex]x^2-4[/tex] and [tex]x^3-8[/tex] that you can factor out? It may help to review how a difference of two cubes is factored, or you could just do something like synthetic division. Hint: look for the factor of [tex]x^2-4[/tex] that removes the difficulties caused as [tex]x \to 2[/tex] and see if you can factor it out of the denominator.
 
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jhae2.718 said:
What's a common term between [tex]x^2-4[/tex] and [tex]x^3-8[/tex] that you can factor out? It may help to review how a difference of two cubes is factored, or you could just do something like synthetic division. Hint: look for the factor of [tex]x^2-4[/tex] that removes the difficulties caused as [tex]x \to 2[/tex] and see if you can factor it out of the denominator.

Well, if I write out the question factored, here's where I got to:

[tex] \lim_{x\to2}{{(x-2)(x+2)}\over{(x-2)(x^2+2x+4)}}[/tex]

I guess I could cancel the (x - 2)'s, but then what?

Got it, nvm :D
 
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