Famous Arcsin Formula for e^x / Sqrt[1-e^[2x]] (Scan Paper)

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The discussion revolves around the integral involving the expression $e^x / \sqrt{1-e^{2x}}$, with references to a famous arcsin formula. Participants are exploring the setup and transformations related to this integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss variable substitutions and transformations to simplify the integral. There are questions about the presence of additional terms in the numerator and how they affect the application of the arcsin formula. Some participants suggest specific substitutions while others express confusion about the implications of those substitutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on substitutions, while others are questioning the validity of certain steps and the assumptions made in the transformations. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring.

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Participants note the presence of an extra term in the numerator that complicates the application of the arcsin formula. There is also mention of the need to clarify the definitions and roles of the variables used in the integral.

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$e^x / Sqrt[1-e^[2x]] (An integral with e^x div by algebraic expressions)(Scan paper)

Homework Statement



Ok I will try my best to write this with digital characters: $e^x / Sqrt[1-e^[2x]]
You will see the problem attached on an image below for more details.

e^x is present

Homework Equations



When I do a variable switch, I recalled a famous arcsin formula (also listed below on my scanned paper)


The Attempt at a Solution



See the picture below

[PLAIN]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2892/img0003001.jpg
 
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You were right to think that it was an arcsin integral. This is how it is derived:

You have to do substitution it twice and there is a restricting on x.
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If your integral became

\int \frac{u}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du

then just do another substitution like t=1-u2, which would make your integral much simpler.
 


rock.freak667 said:
If your integral became

\int \frac{u}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du

then just do another substitution like t=1-u2, which would make your integral much simpler.

But if you do that, wouldn't there be a radical in the numerator?
If you let t = 1-u2
Then...

\int \frac{u}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du becomes \int \frac{\sqrt{t^2-1}}{t} du
Or am I missing something?
 


planauts said:
But if you do that, wouldn't there be a radical in the numerator?
If you let t = 1-u2
Then...

\int \frac{u}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du becomes \int \frac{\sqrt{t^2-1}}{t} du
Or am I missing something?

You'd need to get dt=2u du, such that u du=dt/2.
 


how did you make v = sin x = arcsin (v)

Because as far as I am concerned its not appearing in the integral yet


Wait.. Did you use U as e^x and both sin x at the same time`?, both of them up there are u:s then?
 
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Riazy said:
how did you make v = sin x = arcsin (v)

Because as far as I am concerned its not appearing in the integral yet


Wait.. Did you use U as e^x and both sin x at the same time`?, both of them up there are u:s then?

Your integral contains an extra 'u' term in the numerator, so you can't really just use the result to get arcsine.
 


rock.freak667 said:
Your integral contains an extra 'u' term in the numerator, so you can't really just use the result to get arcsine.

And it should not contain that extra u term.

If you use u=e^x, then du=e^x dx

Your original integrand: e^x dx / (sqrt(1-e^2x))

So you get a new integrand: du / (sqrt (1-u^2)) ... which fits the formula from the back of your head. Planauts basically showed how that arcsin derivative was confirmed.
 


Next time I should read the entire integral to be done instead of the last one :redface:
 

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