Fas-Moving projectiles-Satellites

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of fast-moving projectiles and satellites, specifically focusing on the principles of gravity and the motion of objects thrown horizontally. Participants explore the relationship between mass, acceleration, and the distance fallen over time, as well as the effects of air resistance and gravitational differences in various environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why an object falls 4.9 meters after one second and whether mass affects this distance.
  • Another participant explains that the 4.9 meters is an average distance based on the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s²) and that the mass of an object does not directly influence this distance, although air resistance may play a role.
  • A participant asks if an object thrown horizontally would fall 9.8 meters after two seconds, leading to a correction that it would actually fall 19.6 meters due to increasing acceleration.
  • A later reply mentions an experiment by Mythbusters demonstrating that a bullet fired horizontally and a dropped bullet hit the ground simultaneously, illustrating the independence of horizontal and vertical motion.
  • Another participant references the Apollo 15 experiment where a hammer and a feather were dropped on the moon, emphasizing that both hit the ground at the same time due to the absence of air resistance, reinforcing the idea that mass does not affect the rate of fall in a vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of mass and air resistance on falling objects, with some agreeing on the independence of horizontal and vertical motion while others clarify specific details about falling distances over time. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these principles in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion assumes ideal conditions without air resistance, and that the effects of gravity differ between Earth and the Moon, which may influence the outcomes discussed.

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Fas-Moving projectiles--Satellites

Hello,

In my book it states that an object thrown will fall 4.9 meters one second later. First of all, why does it fall in that precise amount--does the mass of an object change that amount? Secondly, does it fall that much in every second it travels? Also, does all of this only apply to objects thrown horizontally?

Thank you
 
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In my book it states that an object thrown will fall 4.9 meters one second later. First of all, why does it fall in that precise amount--does the mass of an object change that amount? Secondly, does it fall that much in every second it travels? Also, does all of this only apply to objects thrown horizontally?

Thank you

It's actually an average, the ball isn't always falling at that amount:

You're in a gravity field that's always pulling down at 9.8 m/s per second. If you drop a ball, it starts at 0 m/s velocity and speeds up to 9.8 m/s in one second.

If we assume it's a linear trend, than the average of those two velocities should give us the average velocity over the whole trip: (0 + 9.8)/2 = 4.9


The mass of an object has no effect on this directly, though in the real world, on Earth, large objects may catch more wind and air resistance (which is being ignored here). But then, large doesn't always mean more massive.

This average applies to an object that starts out with 0 vertical direction. You can throw it horizontally or just drop it to achieve this.

If you threw it up or down, you'd have to figure out the vertical component of the starting velocity when it left your hand and then average that instead. The horizontal velocity doesn't factor in (horizontal and vertical dimensions are independent).
 


So, if I were to through an object horizontally two seconds later it would have fallen vertically 9.8 meters from its horizontal path?
 


No, actually. It would have fallen 19.6 meters. In the first second, it will fall 4.9 meters, in the second second, it will fall 14.7 meters. The object is accelerating, so each second, it will fall farther than the second before.
 


Oh okay, I understand. Thank you.
 


Bashyboy said:
Hello,

In my book it states that an object thrown will fall 4.9 meters one second later. First of all, why does it fall in that precise amount--does the mass of an object change that amount? Secondly, does it fall that much in every second it travels? Also, does all of this only apply to objects thrown horizontally?

Thank you

Mybusters performed a fantastic experiment that demonstarted this. (gravities effect on an object traveling horizontally)

They fired a bullet from a gun and at the exact same time dropped a bullet at the calculated distance/location where the gun fired bullet would land.

after a number of attempts they got the timming right and both hit the ground at the exact same time.
 
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Apollo 15 also did an experiment where they dropped a hammer and a feather at the same time on the moon.
Look here:

The feather, since it is on the moon, has no air resistance to impede its drop like it does here on earth. Both the hammer and feather both hit the ground at the same time.

First of all, why does it fall in that precise amount--does the mass of an object change that amount?

The mass of the objects don't matter, an object will always be accelerated by the same amount compared to another object of different mass. Hence the feather and hammer hitting the ground at the same time. Note that this is when you keep the mass of the larger object the same and switch out smaller objects. On the moon, as the video shows, the acceleration is much less because the moon has so much less gravity than the earth.
 
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