FBDs for Box and Magnet Lifting by a Rope Attached to Ceiling

[cmkc109]

Homework Statement

A box is lifted by a magnet suspended from the ceiling by a rope
attached to the magnet as illustrated in Fig 3.65. Draw free body
diagram for the box and for the magnet

so the picture is basically there is a ceiling , and the rope hanging from the ceiling to the magnet, and the magnet is attached to the box (located below the magnet)

I am wondering, will there be a normal force in the FBD since the ceiling is the surface? but wouldn't the Fn and Fg be in the same direction? or will it be no Fn because the object and the surface are not in direct contact?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

 

[tms]

For every force there is an equal in magnitude and opposite in direction reaction force. "Normal force" is a name usually given to a particular kind of reaction force. Using that name in other contexts might be confusing. So, yes, there are reaction forces, but you probably shouldn't call them "normal forces".

 

[cmkc109]

For every force there is an equal in magnitude and opposite in direction reaction force. "Normal force" is a name usually given to a particular kind of reaction force. Using that name in other contexts might be confusing. So, yes, there are reaction forces, but you probably shouldn't call them "normal forces".

so do u include it in the FBD?

 

[cmkc109]

what i am trying to ask it, should this force be included when the object is not in directly contact with the surface

 

[tms]

You use all forces in the diagram.

 

[Doc Al]

what i am trying to ask it, should this force be included when the object is not in directly contact with the surface

If the object is not in contact with the surface, there can be no normal force between them. Since it doesn't exist, you wouldn't include it.

 

[cmkc109]

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If the object is not in contact with the surface, there can be no normal force between them. Since it doesn't exist, you wouldn't include it.

thanks for ur reply!