Feather Terminal Velocity Comparison: Mars vs. Earth Atmospheric Conditions

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The discussion revolves around the terminal velocity of a feather dropped from a height on Mars compared to Earth, considering the atmospheric conditions of both planets. Participants explore the effects of gravity, atmospheric pressure, and viscosity on terminal velocity, delving into theoretical aspects and the implications of kinetic theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that terminal velocity is influenced by gravitational force and viscosity, questioning how viscosity changes with temperature and pressure on Mars and Earth.
  • Another participant asserts that viscosity is generally independent of pressure, except at high pressures, but expresses uncertainty about its applicability in this context.
  • Some participants suggest that Mars' atmosphere is more similar to a vacuum than a typical atmosphere, which may affect the calculations of terminal velocity.
  • There is a request for explanations or calculations regarding the atmospheric viscosity on both planets, indicating a need for more detailed information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effects of atmospheric pressure on viscosity and terminal velocity, with no consensus reached on how these factors interact in the context of Mars and Earth.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clear expressions for how viscosity changes at low pressures, which is relevant to the Martian atmosphere. The discussion also highlights the dependence on assumptions related to temperature and pressure conditions.

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Firstly, this isn't my homework question. I was trying to answer another, broader question for a student, and it boiled down to this one. There's quite a subtle point here, I think, but I just can't grasp it.

Consider stable atmospheric conditions on Mars and Earth. A feather is dropped from a great height on both planents. Which planet gives the feather the higher terminal velocity?

Data given is:
- Mars gravity = (1/3)g
- Earth atmosphere: 1000mbar
- Mars atmosphere: 10mbar

So terminal velocity goes as square root of gravitational force and inverse square root of viscosity. I can't work out how the viscosity changes with temperature and pressure.

Gut feeling tells you that the weaker gravity (a third of Earth's) contributes to lowering the terminal velocity. However, doesn't the fact that the pressure is 100 times smaller contribute to the viscosity somehow?

I remember proving in kinetic theory that viscosity is independent of pressure (except for high pressures), but does that hold here? I can't help thinking temperature has something to do with it as well.

Any explanation/calculation of Terrestrial/Martian atmospheric viscosity would be most appreciated.
 
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AFAIK, Mars' atmo is more akin to vacuum than it is to a real atmo.
 
DaveC426913 said:
AFAIK, Mars' atmo is more akin to vacuum than it is to a real atmo.

That's what I thought, but I can't find any expression for how the viscosity changes at low pressure.
 

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