Fermi Energy of Non-Interacting Identical Li Atoms in a 3D Harmonic Potential Well

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Fermi energy for a gas of non-interacting identical lithium atoms confined in a three-dimensional harmonic potential well. Participants are tasked with explaining the Fermi energy and sketching its graph as a function of the number of particles, while considering the degeneracy of energy levels and the implications of spin-1/2 particles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of the Fermi energy graph, with some suggesting it may resemble a step function due to the degeneracy of energy levels. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of spin-1/2 in the analysis and the energy levels associated with the harmonic oscillator.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of how to calculate the Fermi energy based on the number of particles and the energy levels. Some participants have attempted to outline the relationship between particle number and energy levels, while others express uncertainty about the implications of spin and the density of states. Guidance has been provided regarding the density of states and its derivation, but questions remain about the necessary parameters for calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the lack of information regarding the volume of the gas and the specific values needed for calculations. There is also discussion about the assumptions made in counting states and the relationship between quantum numbers and physical states.

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The degeneracy of the nth level above the ground state for a three dimensional harmonic oscillator is (n+1)(n+2)/2 where n takes values n=0,1,2,...

A gas of N non-interacting identical lithium atoms (mass 6amu) each having spin1/2 is confined in a 3d harmonic potential well with vibrational angular freq w. Explain what the fermi energy is and sketch a graph of the fermi energy at absolute zero of temperature in units of h/2pi w as a function of the number of particles N for N in the range 1 to 50.


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No idea where to even begin really. Any help would be great thanks!
 
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i assume the fermi energy graph will be like a step function...but how do i include the fact that they are spin 1/2? do i need to? I can see that because of the degeneracy it will be a step funciton..

also what is the energy in each level. in the ground state is it just hbar w ? in the next state 2 hbar w etc..?
 
bon said:
i assume the fermi energy graph will be like a step function...but how do i include the fact that they are spin 1/2? do i need to? I can see that because of the degeneracy it will be a step funciton..

How many spin 1/2 particles can occupy a single energy eigenstate?

also what is the energy in each level. in the ground state is it just hbar w ? in the next state 2 hbar w etc..?

For a 3d HO, the energies are

E_n = \hbar\omega \left(n+\frac{3}{2}\right).

To determine the Fermi energy, you will need to determine the number of states with energy less than E_F (with quantum number n_F). This gives the total number of particles N in the system. Generally you'll assume that N is large enough that you can approximate sums with integrals when counting states.
 
hmm ok so ground state we have n=0, only 1 atom can fit. therefore fermi energy is 3/2 (in units of hbar w)

n=1 degeneracy is 3, in each state 2 atoms can fit (1 spin up, 1 spin down), therefore, 6 atoms can fit into n=1 state? so until N=7 fermi energy = 5/2 hbar w.

then for N=8 it becomes 7/2? etc...

is this right?Also the next part of the question asks me to show that the density of states for the motion of a particle confined in such a well is

g(E) = A E^2 / w^3 where A is a constant which it asks me to obtain a value for and hence derive an approximate value for Ef when N = 10^6 and w = 2pi x 10^5.

But the density of states will include a volume V and I am not given this...how am i supposed to work out the Ef without this?

Thanks!
 
sorry that should be n=0 degeneracy is 2 therefore 2 can fit. therefore from N=3, ef = 5/2 then from N=9 becomes 7/2.. etc right?
 
bon said:
hmm ok so ground state we have n=0, only 1 atom can fit. therefore fermi energy is 3/2 (in units of hbar w)

n=1 degeneracy is 3, in each state 2 atoms can fit (1 spin up, 1 spin down), therefore, 6 atoms can fit into n=1 state? so until N=7 fermi energy = 5/2 hbar w.

then for N=8 it becomes 7/2? etc...

is this right?

If you can get 2 atoms into each n=1 state, why can you only get one into the ground state?

Also the next part of the question asks me to show that the density of states for the motion of a particle confined in such a well is

g(E) = A E^2 / w^3 where A is a constant which it asks me to obtain a value for and hence derive an approximate value for Ef when N = 10^6 and w = 2pi x 10^5.

But the density of states will include a volume V and I am not given this...how am i supposed to work out the Ef without this?

Thanks!

You might want to explain a bit more. The density of states comes from considering volume elements in the space of quantum numbers \vec{n}, not real space.
 
Thanks okay.

Well for the density of states..i thought it would be:

g(k) dk = (1/8 4pi k^2 dk) / (pi/L)^3 x 2

i.e. vol in k space occupied by all the states divided by the volume per state and all of this times two becomes of the spin degen. But then the L^3 on the bottom = V, the volume of the gas...?
 
bon said:
Thanks okay.

Well for the density of states..i thought it would be:

g(k) dk = (1/8 4pi k^2 dk) / (pi/L)^3 x 2

i.e. vol in k space occupied by all the states divided by the volume per state and all of this times two becomes of the spin degen. But then the L^3 on the bottom = V, the volume of the gas...?

I'm not sure what k is, here you have quantum numbers \vec{n} and there's one state per unit cell in \vec{n} space.
 

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