Ground state of 3 noninteracting Fermions in an infinite well

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The discussion revolves around determining the ground state energy and wave function of three non-interacting identical spin 1/2 fermions confined in a one-dimensional infinite potential well. Participants are examining the implications of the wave function configuration presented in a reference text, questioning its validity in the context of fermionic statistics.

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  • Participants are analyzing the configuration of the ground state wave function and its compliance with the antisymmetry requirement for fermions. There are discussions about the determinant form of the wave function and whether it correctly represents the states of the particles. Questions are raised regarding potential typos in the reference material and the implications of identical particles occupying the same state.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the wave function configuration. Some have pointed out potential errors in the reference, while others are reconsidering the determinant representation of the wave function. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive dialogue is occurring around the mathematical representation of the problem.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented in the reference text, which may contain ambiguities or errors regarding the configuration of fermions. The discussion highlights the importance of antisymmetry in the context of identical fermions and the implications of their spin states.

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In Zettili's Quantum Mechanics, page 477, he wants to determine the energy and wave function of the ground state of three non-interacting identical spin 1/2 particles confined in a one-dimensional infinite potential well of length a. He states that one possible configuration of the ground state wave function is the one as presented in the .PNG.
But this shows that there are particles in the same state, despite being fermions. Also, by expanding the determinant, the result isn't anti-symmetric under an exchange of a pair of particles. Is there something wrong here?
 

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RicardoMP said:
In Zettili's Quantum Mechanics, page 477, he wants to determine the energy and wave function of the ground state of three non-interacting identical spin 1/2 particles confined in a one-dimensional infinite potential well of length a. He states that one possible configuration of the ground state wave function is the one as presented in the .PNG.
But this shows that there are particles in the same state, despite being fermions. Also, by expanding the determinant, the result isn't anti-symmetric under an exchange of a pair of particles. Is there something wrong here?
You are correct. The second row of the determinant is identical to the first which will of course make the determinant zero. This looks like a typo to me. The second row wavefunctions should have subscripts "3" instead of "1" for this to make sense.
 
Are the first and second rows really identical? The spins for the first two terms of each mentioned row have different spin states. Otherwise yes, the determinant would be zero. However, despite the configuration being one that doesn't cancel the determinant, it is one that involves identical fermions in the same state. Indeed, I agree this might be a typo.
 
RicardoMP said:
Are the first and second rows really identical?
They are not. I was too hasty. Let me think for a moment about what it should be in determinant form.
 
I think it should be
$$\begin{vmatrix}
\psi_1(x_1)|+> & \psi_1(x_2)|+> & \psi_1(x_3)|+> \\
\psi_1(x_1)|-> & \psi_1(x_2)|-> & \psi_1(x_3)|-> \\
\psi_2(x_1)|+> & \psi_2(x_2)|+> & \psi_2(x_3)|+>
\end{vmatrix}$$
This is antisymmetric under particle exchange and places two fermions in the ground state with opposite spins and one in the first excited state with spin up.
 

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