Fermilab announces new tetraquark state

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The discussion centers on the announcement by Fermilab regarding the discovery of a new particle consistent with a tetraquark state, specifically a ##B_s^0 \pi^\pm## state. Participants analyze the implications of the findings, the methodology used in the analysis, and the subsequent reactions from other collaborations, particularly LHCb. The scope includes theoretical implications, experimental analysis, and the reliability of the findings.

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  • Some participants express concerns about the "cone cut" used in the analysis, suggesting it biases results and affects the reliability of the mass peak observed.
  • There are questions regarding the modeling of the ##B^0_s## background using Monte Carlo simulations, with some arguing that the transverse momentum distribution is not the critical point for understanding the results.
  • Some participants propose that the analysis could have been more thorough, particularly in checking other decay modes of the ##B^0_s## meson to confirm the findings.
  • Others note that the LHCb collaboration has reported no confirmation of the D0 result, indicating a lack of structure in the mass spectrum around the claimed tetraquark mass.
  • A participant mentions that the D0 collaboration's analysis has been problematic in the past, drawing parallels to previous claims of discovery that were later questioned.
  • There is speculation about the potential rejection of the paper by PRL based on the concerns raised during the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the validity of the D0 findings and the reliability of the analysis methods used. Concerns about the methodology and the lack of confirmation from LHCb highlight ongoing disagreements.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about the analysis methods, potential biases introduced by the cone cut, and the dependence on specific decay channels for confirming the existence of the tetraquark state.

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Nearly five years after the Tevatron was decommissioned the experimental collaborations are still analyzing data and today Fermilab announced that DZero discovers a new particle consistent with a tetraquark

This candidate is different from previous discoveries in that it contains four different flavours of quarks whereas previous candidates contain a quark-antiquark pair of the same flavour.

The paper at the arXiv: Observation of a new ##B_s^0 π^\pm## state
 
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Uhm... I guess there is a reason that paper took so long to be made public.

That "cone cut" described on page 4 heavily biases the shape towards events near the threshold. Looking at figure 3, the peak without cone cut looks much more reliable than the one with it.

"The ##B^0_s \pi^\pm## background with a real ##B^0_s## meson is modeled using a Monte Carlo (MC) simulation [9] of events containing a ##B^0_s## meson and additional pions tuned to reproduce the ##B^0_s## transverse momentum distribution in data."
The ##B^0_s## transverse momentum distribution in data is not the critical point here. The pions are low-energetic and background comes from the poorly understood soft QCD processes in the interaction. Okay, at least they checked the ##B^0_s## sidebands.

Without cone cut, the sidebands (empty markers in figure 2) seem to have a different distribution than the peak region (figure 3b). This is also discussed in the text, but without explanation. Also, they get a lower number of events in the ##B^0_s \pi^\pm## peak without cone cut.

There is clearly something not understood, and it looks like a mass peak, so it could be a new particle, but the analysis could have been done more carefully. Also, where are checks with other decay modes of the ##B^0_s##? That particle is long-living, so the peak should look very similar in other decay modes. The purity or signal yield might be a bit lower, but ##J/\psi \phi## is not the only relevant decay channel. Also, why should it be a tetraquark? Excited states of a ##B^0## could decay to ##B^0_s \pi^\pm##. Would be odd, but not impossible. A check of the ##B^0 \pi^\pm## spectrum would help.

Anyway, I guess LHCb can quickly check this with data recorded already. They have the samples of ##B^0_s \to J/\psi \phi## for mixing studies anyway, larger than the Tevatron samples.
 
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I agree with mfb - a cone cut is a terrible thing to use. First, when you make an angular cut and a momentum cut, you make a mass cut. Figure 2 shows this. Worse, the cut takes effect exactly at the peak. That maximally sculpts the spectrum. The fact that the yield gets all wonky with and without this cut is probably related to this. The significance is probably questionable, and the mass and width certainly are.
 
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Apparently some members of the LHCb collaboration have some of the same concerns and are doing some checks on their data to see if they've missed something.

Since the paper has been submitted to PRL, I wonder how critical the referees will be. It might be interesting to compare this draft to anything eventually published.
 
Apparently the D0 result is not confirmed by LHCb- from the LHCb site:
The LHCb Collaboration reported today a result of a similar analysis using a sample of Bs0 mesons 20 times higher than that used by the D0 Collaboration. The Bs0π invariant mass spectrum is shown in the figure using the ##B_s^0## mesons decaying into J/ψ and φ mesons or into ##D_s## and π mesons. No structure is seen in the region around the mass of 5568 MeV. Hence the LHCb analysis does not confirm the D0 result.
More details will be presented at Moriond QCD.
 
A PDF of the presentation is here (direct link). Absolutely nothing.
 
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Since the paper has been submitted to PRL, I wonder how critical the referees will be. It might be interesting to compare this draft to anything eventually published.

I'm not sure if this is a faux-pas, but I have actually spoken to one of the PRL referees for this paper. It's probably going to be rejected...
 
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I find it a little sad that the D0 collaboration was so problematical with their analysis.

It's a bit reminiscent of their "discovery" of the ##\Omega^-_b##.
 
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