Fermions in infinite square well in compact geometry

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The problem involves determining the Fermi energy for a system of spin-1/2 particles in a 2+1-dimensional universe with a topology of T² × R₊. The original poster seeks to understand the implications of large N and aims to find a closed-form expression for the energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the Schrödinger equation in the given geometry, leading to a separation of variables for the wave function. They express concerns about deriving an expression for kₓ and calculating the minimum energy. Other participants suggest using complex exponentials for simplification and discuss boundary conditions related to the wave functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of boundary conditions and the implications of negative quantum numbers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of complex exponentials and the relevance of negative quantum numbers, but no consensus has been reached on their treatment.

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Participants are navigating the differences between the infinite square well potential and the toroidal geometry, particularly in terms of wave function behavior and normalization. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the physicality of certain states and the implications of momentum in this context.

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The global topology of a ##2+1##-dimensional universe is of the form ##T^{2}\times R_{+}##, where ##T^{2}## is a two-dimensional torus and ##R_{+}## is the non-compact temporal direction. What is the Fermi energy for a system of spin-##\frac{1}{2}## particles in this universe?

What happens in the limit of large ##N##? Can you find a closed-form expression for the energy?

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Assuming that the Schrödinger equation can be applied in this geometry and the potential is zero, we obtain ##\psi(x,y)=X(x)Y(y)##, where ##x## and ##y## label the coordinates along the torus. So,

##X(x)=A_{x}\text{sin}(k_{x}x)+B_{x}\text{cos}(k_{x}x)## so that ##E_{x}=\frac{\hbar^{2}k_{x}^{2}}{2m}##
##Y(y)=A_{y}\text{sin}(k_{y}y)+B_{y}\text{cos}(k_{y}y)## so that ##E_{y}=\frac{\hbar^{2}k_{y}^{2}}{2m}##

Using the boundary condition ##X(0)=X(L)##, where ##L## is the circumference of the torus in the ##x##-direction,

##B_{x}=A_{x}\text{sin}(k_{x}L)+B_{x}\text{cos}(k_{x}L)##
##\implies B_{x}(1-\text{cos}(k_{x}L))=A_{x}\text{sin}(k_{x}L)##
##\implies B_{x}(2\text{sin}^{2}(k_{x}L/2))=A_{x}2\text{sin}(k_{x}L/2)\text{cos}(k_{x}L/2)##
##\implies A_{x}=\text{tan}(k_{x}L/2)B_{x}##

so that

##X(x) = B_{x}[\text{sin}(k_{x}x)\text{tan}(k_{x}L/2)+\text{cos}(k_{x}x)]##

Now, I cannot an expression for ##k_{x}## and hence I cannot calculate the minimum energy of the system. Any hints on how to procees?
 
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You also get a boundary condition for the first derivative.

I would express the wave function via a complex exponential, that should be easier than the sin/cos stuff.
 
I see!

In that case, ##k_{x}L=2\pi n_{x}##, or ##k_{x}l=n_{x}##, where ##l## is the radius of the torus in the ##x##-direction.

So, ##\displaystyle{k_{x}=\frac{n_{x}}{l}}##, where ##n_{x} = 0, \pm 1, \pm 2 , \ldots##

I can see that the state with ##n_{x}=0## is not normalisable, so this state is not physical.

However, I do not quite follow as to why we can ignore negative values of ##n_{x}##. It's true that the energy values are the same as for the corresponding ##|n_{x}|##, but the wavefunctions are different, by a phase factor at least. I know that phase factors are not observable, but we still have different wavefunctions or states for negative values of ##n_{x}##, don't we?
 
Who said that you can ignore them? They have different momentum, for example, so they are certainly relevant.
 
But aren't negative quantum numbers ignored in the infinite square well potential?
 
There the walls are not identified with each other, which leads to different wave functions. In particular, they are purely real in the box, while your eigenstates have complex numbers.
 
It would be helpful if you could explain this point in a bit more detail.
 
You have two different situations, why do you expect similar results?

Your particles can have net momentum, similar to classical particles. Particles in a box cannot have that, they would hit the wall.
 
It's true that the energy values are the same as for the corresponding |nx|
 

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