Fiber Optic Loop: How Long Before Photon Dissipation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of photons in a closed loop of fiber optics, specifically addressing how long a photon can remain within the loop before dissipating its energy. The scope includes theoretical considerations of light absorption, practical applications of fiber optics, and the characteristics of photon energy transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the absorption of light in glass is not zero and depends on the number of defects in the fiber, suggesting that higher purity leads to less energy dissipation.
  • Others argue that a single photon cannot lose part of its energy, emphasizing that it either retains its energy or is fully absorbed.
  • A participant estimates that typical attenuation for multimode fiber is around 2dB per kilometer, suggesting that a photon would need to travel approximately 17 kilometers to reach a certain low intensity before being considered dissipated.
  • One participant acknowledges potential inaccuracies in their numerical estimates regarding photon dissipation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photon energy dissipation, with some focusing on the role of fiber purity and defects, while others emphasize the all-or-nothing characteristic of photon energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of these factors on photon behavior in fiber optics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the definitions of "dissipation" and the specific conditions under which photon behavior is analyzed, such as the purity of the fiber and the characteristics of the light source.

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Imagine a closed loop of fiber optics, How long will a photon be able to stay inside the loop before dissipating all it's energy, or does it not dissipate?
 
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Absorption of light in glass is not zero, it depends on how many defects in the glass. The less defects in the fiber, the more light will keep its intensity. As for a single photon, the probability of absorption similarly depends on the purity of the glass. Fibers carry light across oceans, and some lasers are created with fibers, so defects can be sufficiently reduced for a fiber to have many impressive applications.
 
Danyon said:
Imagine a closed loop of fiber optics, How long will a photon be able to stay inside the loop before dissipating all it's energy, or does it not dissipate?

Greetings Danyon

a tiny fraction of a second before it is absorbed :smile:
 
Note that a single photon cannot give up part of its energy. It's all or nothing.
 
I believe a typical attenuation for a multimode fibre would be say 2dB per kilometre (factor of 1.5). So I think if you defined "dissipated" to be when the intensity is down to say 1/1000th (0.1%) of it's original value it would need to travel about 17km. You can work out how long it would take to travel 17km.

Oops I was in a rush. Might be slightly out in my numbers.
 

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