Field in the plane where a dipole lies

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The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by a dipole positioned in the plane, specifically when the dipole is centered at the origin with charges located symmetrically along the y-axis. Participants explore the mathematical expressions for the electric field at a point in the plane and discuss potential approximations for cases where the distances from the dipole are significantly larger than the separation between the charges.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the electric field expression for a dipole centered at the origin and expresses difficulty in deriving this from their own calculated expression.
  • Another participant inquires about the orientation of the dipole as described in the original post.
  • A participant clarifies that the dipole is oriented along the y-axis, from the negative to the positive charge.
  • One participant suggests that calculating the electric field from the potential might simplify the process, referencing an external resource that provides a similar expression for a dipole oriented along the z-axis.
  • Another participant encourages using the exact expression derived by the original poster and suggests a method for approximating the electric field using a binomial expansion for large distances.
  • The original poster expresses gratitude for the clarity of the explanation provided by the last participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the desired electric field expression. There are multiple viewpoints on how to proceed with the calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of deriving the electric field from the potential and the challenges associated with approximations. The discussion highlights the dependence on specific conditions, such as the relative sizes of the distances involved.

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Hello, friends! I read that, if a dipole is centred on the origin, with the ##+q>0## charge in ##a>0## and the negative ##-q<0## charge in ##-a##, the field in a point ##(x,y)## of the plane is $$\mathbf{E}=k\frac{3pxy}{(x^2+y^2)^{5/2}}\mathbf{i} +k\frac{p(2y^2-x^2)}{(x^2+y^2)^{5/2}}\mathbf{j}$$ where ##k## is Coulomb's constant.

If I have correctly calculated, the exact electric field in ##(x,y)## should be ##\mathbf{E}=kq\Big(\frac{x}{(x^2+(y-a)^2)^{3/2}}-\frac{x}{(x^2+(y+a)^2)^{3/2}}\Big)\mathbf{i}## ##+kq\Big(\frac{y-a}{(x^2+(y-a)^2)^{3/2}}-\frac{y+a}{(x^2+(y+a)^2)^{3/2}}\Big)\mathbf{j}##, but I have got serious troubles in finding a way to see that this is desired result. Nevertheless, I suspect that an approximation for ##|x|\gg a## and ##|y|\gg a## represents the formula given by my book, but I cannot find a way to prove the approximation.

I heartily thank you everybody for any answer.
 
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How is the dipole oriented in your book?
 
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From ##-q## to ##+q##, i.e. as the ##y## axis. Thank you for asking!
 
The electric field due to an electric dipole at a point far away from the dipole is usually easier when computed from the potential and then take its gradient. For example look at this http://phys.columbia.edu/~nicolis/Dipole_electric_field.pdf. In this link the dipole is oriented along z direction, the equation you will be interested in is equation (13). If you express this equation in Cartesian coordinates you will obtain expression identical to the equation in your book only with ##y## replaced by ##z##. Let me know if there is something you still don't understand.
 
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Thank you for the link! I will read it when I study the concept of potential. For the moment my text has not introduced it yet... :frown:
 
You can instead proceed from the exact expression which you have calculated on your own. The key is to make use of the identity
$$
(1+x)^p = 1+px+p(p-1)x^2+\ldots
$$
for |p| bigger than or equal to unity. For example let's calculate the x-component of the field, first expand the denominator so that
$$kq\Big(\frac{x}{(x^2+(y-a)^2)^{3/2}}-\frac{x}{(x^2+(y+a)^2)^{3/2}}\Big) \approx kq\Big(\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2-2ay)^{3/2}}-\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2+2ay)^{3/2}}\Big)
$$
where the term quadratic in ##a## has been neglected, then factor out ##(x^2+y^2)##. You will find, for the first term,
$$
kq\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2)^{3/2}} \left(1-\frac{2ay}{x^2+y^2}\right)^{-3/2}
$$
Finally make use of the fact that ##a## is small and the identity above to approximate the term
$$
\left(1-\frac{2ay}{x^2+y^2}\right)^{-3/2}
$$.
up to the first order. Do the same way for the second term in the x component of the field.
 
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Very, very clear! Thank you so much!
 

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