Field lines near the equilibrium point

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the electric potential due to two point charges, 4q and -q, located at specific coordinates in the xy-plane. The task is to express the potential and use a Taylor expansion to approximate it near the origin, identified as the equilibrium point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the potential equation and question whether the equilibrium point is correctly identified at the origin. There are inquiries about the proper addition of vectors and the significance of the differing magnitudes and signs of the charges.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on checking the setup of the potential equation and suggesting that the original poster clarify their understanding of the charge magnitudes and positions. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive directions have been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion due to the relative sizes and positions of the charges, as well as the need to include all relevant factors in the potential equation. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the potential is defined at certain values of x.

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Homework Statement



Charges 4q and -q are located at the points (-2a,0,0) and (-a,0,0), respectively. Write down the potential θ(x,y) for points in the xy plane, and then use a Taylor expansion to find an approximate expression for θ near the origin, which you can quickly show is the equilibrium point. (You can set a=1 to make things simpler)

Homework Equations


θ(x,y,s)=∫(ρ(x',y',z')dx'dy'dz')/4πεr


The Attempt at a Solution


setting a-1, ignoring the factor of q/4πε0, the potential due to the two charges, at locations in the xy plane is θ(x,y)=(1/(sqrt((x-2)2+y2)-(1/sqrt((x-1)2+y2)

Have I set this equation up correctly?
 
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Welcome to PF;
Have I set this equation up correctly?
... how would you check?

i.e. is the equilibrium point at the origin as the problem says?
(Notice that one of the charges is much bigger than the other? Have you accounted for that?)

Have you checked that you have added the vectors properly - say, by sketching them out head-to-tail?
 
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Hello, scotshocker. Welcome to PF!

ignoring the factor of q/4πε0, the potential due to the two charges, at locations in the xy plane is
θ(x,y)=(1/(sqrt((x-2)2+y2)-(1/sqrt((x-1)2+y2)

Have I set this equation up correctly?

Looks good except for a couple of signs. At what values of x would you expect the potential to be undefined?
[EDIT: And as Simon points out, the charges are not of equal magnitude.]
 
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The fact that the one charge is larger than the other is the part that I am having trouble with. I am also confusing myself because both charges are on the same side of the origin. I am severely out of practice and am just trying to figure this out. Any suggestions?
 
The charges are also opposite signs.
Perhaps you'd better write down the equation for the potential along just the x-axis to start with - don't leave off the q and the a this time: I think you removed them too soon, before you understood the situation.
Once you see that, you'll probably make the connections you need.

Actually draw the axes - mark out x=0, x=+a, x=+2a, x=-a, x=-2a, etc.
 

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