Filter Performance Assessment Using Basic Equipment: A Practical Guide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for assessing the performance of filter designs, particularly in terms of attenuation across various loads and types of harmonics, including common and differential noises. Participants explore both simulation and practical testing methodologies, comparing different filter types such as LC filters and π filters.

Discussion Character

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about benchmarking filter attenuation against various loads and harmonics, seeking methods to evaluate performance relative to LC and π filters.
  • Another participant suggests using SPICE simulation packages with Monte Carlo variations to assess component tolerances in filter designs.
  • For practical testing, a participant recommends using a Spectrum Analyzer with Tracking Generator Output to analyze the filter's output response, emphasizing the importance of gain measurements.
  • A follow-up question asks about testing methodologies using basic equipment like a signal generator and oscilloscope.
  • In response, a participant confirms that basic testing is feasible with a signal generator and oscilloscope, detailing a method for measuring amplitude and phase shifts using the oscilloscope's cursors and manual data entry for plotting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best methods for filter assessment, with some favoring advanced equipment and others advocating for basic setups. No consensus is reached on a single best approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of different testing methodologies or the comparative performance of filter types. Limitations include the dependence on specific equipment capabilities and the subjective nature of the proposed methods.

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Hi,
Say I have a design for a filter, is there a method of bench-marking it's attenuation over a variety of loads and types of harmonics? (or even common and differential noises)

For instance, say I wanted to compare a filter to an LC filter or a π filter, how does one evaluate how much better or worse these are to each other and to other filters?

Cheers
 
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tim9000 said:
Hi,
Say I have a design for a filter, is there a method of bench-marking it's attenuation over a variety of loads and types of harmonics? (or even common and differential noises)

For instance, say I wanted to compare a filter to an LC filter or a π filter, how does one evaluate how much better or worse these are to each other and to other filters?

Cheers
In simulation, you would use one of the SPICE packages, preferably one that let's you use Monte Carlo variations to explore what happens over component tolerances.

For actual circuits, you can use a Spectrum Analyzer with Tracking Generator Output to scan the input signal to the filter and plot the output response (gain, not phase). Alternately, you can use the Gain-Phase measurement capability of an Impedance/Gain-Phase analyzer instrument like the HP 4194 (we have several in our Lab)...

http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/images/4194a.jpg
4194a.jpg
 
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berkeman said:
In simulation, you would use one of the SPICE packages, preferably one that let's you use Monte Carlo variations to explore what happens over component tolerances.

For actual circuits, you can use a Spectrum Analyzer with Tracking Generator Output to scan the input signal to the filter and plot the output response (gain, not phase). Alternately, you can use the Gain-Phase measurement capability of an Impedance/Gain-Phase analyzer instrument like the HP 4194 (we have several in our Lab)...

http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/images/4194a.jpg
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Thanks for the reply.
Also, is there any testing methodology for performing assessment with more basic equipment like a signal generator and an oscilloscope?
Cheers
 
tim9000 said:
Thanks for the reply.
Also, is there any testing methodology for performing assessment with more basic equipment like a signal generator and an oscilloscope?
Cheers
Yes, you can certainly do basic testing with a signal generator and oscilloscope. You just end up using the cursors on the 'scope to make your amplitude and phase shift measurements, and putting them into a spreadsheet by hand for plotting. Display both the input and output waveforms on the display and make your measurements at frequencies of interest. I did that plenty back in my school days, before I had access to Gain-Phase instruments like the HP 4194. :smile:
 

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