Final Temperature of Carnot Heat Engine with Same U and N,C

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The discussion centers on determining the final temperature (Tf) of two bodies in a Carnot Heat Engine, given that they have the same internal energy (U = N C T), number of particles (N), and specific heat capacity (C). The initial temperatures of the bodies are T1i and T2i. The participants conclude that if U1 equals U2 and both N and C are identical, then T1i must equal T2i, leading to Tf being equal to either initial temperature. The first law of thermodynamics is invoked, indicating that with no heat exchange (ΔQ = 0), the work done (W) is equal to the change in internal energy (ΔU).

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Carnot Heat Engine principles
  • Familiarity with the first law of thermodynamics (dU = dQ + dW)
  • Knowledge of internal energy concepts (U = N C T)
  • Basic thermodynamic properties of materials (specific heat capacity, number of particles)
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  • Explore the derivation of the Carnot efficiency formula
  • Study the implications of the first law of thermodynamics in closed systems
  • Investigate the relationship between work done and internal energy changes in thermodynamic processes
  • Learn about heat transfer mechanisms in thermodynamic systems
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This discussion is beneficial for students and professionals in thermodynamics, mechanical engineers, and anyone interested in the principles of heat engines and energy conservation.

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Two bodies have the same Internal Energy. (U = N C T)
Both N and C are the same for each of these bodies. The initial Temperatures of these bodies are T1i and T2i

Using these bodies to produce work from a Carnot Heat Engine, they are brought to a final temperature Tf.

What is this final temperature in terms of the initial temperatures.

Looking at the problem since both internal energies have to be the same U1=U2 and N and C are the same for both bodies does this mean T1i = T2i if so doesn't that mean the final temperature would be equal to either of these temperatures?

However when I think of the first law of thermodynamics. (dU = dQ + dW) if the temperatures are the same does this mean dU = dW (No heat between objects of the same temperature) If so where would I go from here?

OR am I barking up the wrong tree completely.
 
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keith river said:
Two bodies have the same Internal Energy. (U = N C T)
Both N and C are the same for each of these bodies. The initial Temperatures of these bodies are T1i and T2i

Using these bodies to produce work from a Carnot Heat Engine, they are brought to a final temperature Tf.

What is this final temperature in terms of the initial temperatures.

Looking at the problem since both internal energies have to be the same U1=U2 and N and C are the same for both bodies does this mean T1i = T2i if so doesn't that mean the final temperature would be equal to either of these temperatures?

However when I think of the first law of thermodynamics. (dU = dQ + dW) if the temperatures are the same does this mean dU = dW (No heat between objects of the same temperature) If so where would I go from here?

OR am I barking up the wrong tree completely.
There is no heat flow from or to the surroundings, so you are correct: \Delta Q = 0; |\Delta U| = |W|.

So what you have to do is figure out the amount of work produced during the operation of the engine to find the total change in internal energy. From that you can determine the final temperature.

AM
 

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