Final velocity of a falling object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the final velocity of a falling object under the influence of gravity, specifically examining the implications of dropping an object from varying heights. Participants explore the relationship between height, velocity, and acceleration due to gravity, considering both theoretical and mathematical perspectives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a passage from a book suggesting that dropping an object from 2000 kilometers results in a final velocity of 2v1, questioning the validity of this conclusion.
  • Another participant agrees with the questioning of the initial claim, noting that the time to traverse the second 1000 meters is not the same as for the first due to the initial speed being different.
  • A different participant explains that under constant acceleration, velocity increases linearly with time but not with distance, providing a mathematical formulation for the relationship between height and time.
  • Another participant summarizes that kinetic energy increases linearly with distance under uniform gravity, while potential energy decreases linearly, leading to the conclusion that speed increases as the square root of the distance fallen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between height and final velocity, with some supporting the idea of a square root relationship while others challenge the initial claim of a linear increase in velocity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions regarding constant acceleration and the initial conditions of the falling object, which may affect the validity of the claims made. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the reasoning presented.

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I was reading The History of Physics by Isaac Asimov, and I came across this passage.

"Imagine a body dropped first from a height of 1000 kilometers, then from 2000 kilometers, then from 3000 kilometers, and so on. The drop from 1000 kilometers would result in a velocity of impact v_{1}. If the value g were constant all the way up, then a drop from 2000 kilometers would involve a gain in the first 1000 kilometers equal to the gain in the second 1000 kilometers, so the final velocity of impact would be v_{1}+v_{1} or 2v_{1}."

I was wondering why it came to 2v_{1}. Wouldn't it be \sqrt{2}v_{1}?

Here's my thinking:

From an equation, v^{2}_{f}=v^{2}_{i}+2gs, then we have
v^{2}_{1}=2g(1000) and v^{2}_{2}=2g(2000), and thus
v_{2}=\sqrt{2}v_{1}.
 
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You are quite right. The writer lures you into thinking the time needed to traverse the second 1000 m is equal to the time needed for the first. It definitely is not, because the initial speed for the first is 0 but for the second it is v1.
 
Thank you!
 
Under constant acceleration the V increases linearly with time. V does not increase linearly with distance.

This looks correct:
If we let i = initial height,
the current height H = i - (a * t^2 / 2).
So a * t^2 = 2 * (i - H).
Therefore t = sqrt(2 * (i - H) / a).
If we substitute that into v = a*t,
v = a * sqrt (2* (i-H)/a). Note that i and a are constants, so the only independent variable is the current height H.
 
In a nutshell: Kinetic Energy will increase linearly with distance (uniform g) because Potential Energy is reducing linearly (mgh). So the speed will increase as the square root of distance fallen.
 

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