Final velocity of proton after being repelled?

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The discussion revolves around determining the final velocity of a proton released from rest at the center of a uniformly charged hoop after being given a slight push along the axis of the hoop. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics and energy conservation, specifically relating to electric potential and forces acting on charged particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between electric potential energy and kinetic energy, with some suggesting the use of electric potential at the center of the hoop. Questions arise regarding the correct formulas for potential energy and the nature of the electric field in this scenario.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the appropriate equations to use for calculating potential energy and velocity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between uniform and non-uniform electric fields, and there is acknowledgment of the challenges posed by the homework material relative to the participants' current understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the participants' coursework limitations, as they have not yet covered the relevant material on electric potential in depth, which may affect their ability to fully engage with the problem.

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Homework Statement


What will be the final velocity of a proton (when it is very far away) if it it released from rest at the center of a uniformly charged hoop and given a slight push in one direction. assume it follows the axis of the hoop.
mass of proton: m = 1.67x10-27 kg
charge of proton: q = 1.6x10-19 C
radius of hoop: R = 1 cm
charge of hoop: Q = 1 nC

Homework Equations


λ = Q/2πR
k = 9 x 109
E = kλx2πR/(x2+R2)3/2
F = Eq

The Attempt at a Solution


λ = 9x10-9 / 2π(.01)
= 1.59 x 10-8 C/m

I know that the force and acceleration will vary with the distance from the hoop x, but I don't know how to find the final velocity. I was thinking maybe you have to find the potential energy of the proton before it starts moving and then use that as its final kinetic energy to find velocity? I don't know how to find electrical potential energy though.
 
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Energy is definitely the best approach. Can you find the electric potential V at the center of the ring due to the charge on the hoop?
 
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Looking through my book I found the energy equation U = qE, and using that I found the energy to be 1.503 x 10-20, and I got 4242 m/s for the velocity. does that sound about right?
 
Brennen berkley said:
Looking through my book I found the energy equation U = qE

Did you mistype this? U is not equal to qE. Instead, F = qE. Check your book again for the correct formula for U.
 
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maybe I'm reading the equation wrong, but there it is.
 
Note that equation (23.5) reads U = qEy which is different from U = qE.

Equation (23.5) is only valid for a uniform electric field. In the hoop problem, E is not uniform. You should have studied a basic equation that relates the potential energy U to the electric potential V.
 
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Thanks for clarifying. In class we have only covered the material through chapter 21, and all the electric potential stuff is in 23, so I haven't read about it very in-depth yet. I'm not sure why it's on our homework. Anyway, I think I understand what I need to do now. Potential Energy U = qV where V is potential (potential energy per Coulomb) and V = kQ/√(x2 + a2) where x is the distance from the hoop (0 in this case).
 
Using the new equation I got 1.44 x 10-16 W for the energy and 415,277 m/s for the velocity.
 
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Yes, I believe that's the correct answer. (I'll let you think about significant figures.) It is strange that you were expected to work this problem based on what you've covered in class. Good work!
 
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Chapter 23 has a similar problem: #34.
 

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