Verifying \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} x \vec{C}) = \vec{B} \cdot (\vec{C} x \vec{A})

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The problem involves verifying the vector identity \(\vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = \vec{B} \cdot (\vec{C} \times \vec{A})\) using specific vectors \(\vec{A}\), \(\vec{B}\), and \(\vec{C}\) defined in component form. The subject area relates to vector operations, specifically the cross product and dot product in three-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to compute both sides of the equation by first calculating the cross products and then the dot products. They express uncertainty about their results and question whether they have made an error in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in reviewing the calculations presented, with some suggesting that the original poster may need to reconsider their understanding of the dot product. There is an acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding the nature of the final results, as one participant clarifies that the outcome of the dot product should be a scalar rather than a vector.

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There is a note about a formatting issue in the original problem statement that was corrected in subsequent posts. Participants are also discussing the implications of their calculations and the expected form of the answer.

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Homework Statement


\vec{A}= \hat{i} + 2 \hat{j} \\<br /> \vec{B}= \hat{j} + \hat{k} \\<br /> \vec{C} = 2 \hat{k} + \hat{i}

Verify that \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = \vec{B} \cdot (\vec{C} \times \vec{A})

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am getting something similar but not equal, I believe I must have made a simple stupid mistake somewhere, would appreciate a second pair of eyes, thanks :)

First what I did was rewrite the three vectors like so...
<br /> \vec{A}= (1 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0) \\<br /> \vec{B}= (0 \,\, , 1 \,\, , 1) \\<br /> \vec{C} = (1 \,\, , 0 \,\, , 2)

Then just did \vec{B} \times \vec{C} first...
\vec{B} \times \vec{C} = (2-0) \hat{i} - (0-1) \hat{j} + (0-1) \hat{k} = 2 \hat{i} + 1 \hat{j} - 1 \hat{k} = (2 \,\, , 1 \,\, , -1)

And then did the dot product of that new vector with vector A
<br /> \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = (1 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0) \dot (2 \,\, , 1 \,\, , -1) = (2 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0)<br />
So I got (2, 2, 0) for the left hand side of the equation, now moving onto the right hand side I did the same process.

First I did just C x A...
<br /> \vec{C} \times \vec{A} = (0-4) \hat{i} - (0-2) \hat{j} + (2-0) \hat{k} = -4 \hat{i} + 2 \hat{j} + 2 \hat{k} = (-4 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 2)<br />
And then the dot product of that vector with B
<br /> \vec{B} \cdot (\vec{C} \times \vec{A}) = (0 \,\, , 1 \,\, , 1) \cdot (-4 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 2) = (0 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 2)<br />

And as you can see, (0, 2, 2) does not equal (2, 2, 0). Although now thinking about it, the magnitude of the vectors are equal but that is not what the question asked to verify; I was expecting two vectors exactly the same, i.e. (1, 4, 5) and (1, 4, 5), is that what I should get as the answer? Or have I already done it correctly?
 
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FaraDazed said:
And then did the dot product of that new vector with vector A
<br /> \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = (1 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0) \cdot (2 \,\, , 1 \,\, , -1) = (2 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0)<br />
So I got (2, 2, 0) for the left hand side of the equation
You need to review what the dot product is.
 
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Homework Statement


\vec{A}= \hat{i} + 2 \hat}j} \\<br /> \vec{B}= \hat{j} + \hat{k} \\<br /> \vec{C} = 2 \hat{k} + \hat{i}<br /> <br /> Verify that \vec{A} \dot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = \vec{B} \dot (\vec{C} \times \vec{A})
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Ray Vickson said:
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That's not what the problem was - one of the braces was going the wrong way. It's now fixed in post #1.
 
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DrClaude said:
You need to review what the dot product is.

Ah right, of course! The final answer can't be a vector, so they are both just equal to 4?

I.e.
<br /> \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = (1 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0) \dot (2 \,\, , 1 \,\, , -1) = 2+2+0 = 4<br />
 
FaraDazed said:
Ah right, of course! The final answer can't be a vector, so they are both just equal to 4?

I.e.
<br /> \vec{A} \cdot (\vec{B} \times \vec{C}) = (1 \,\, , 2 \,\, , 0) \dot (2 \,\, , 1 \,\, , -1) = 2+2+0 = 4<br />
Yes.
 

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