Find all real solutions of the given equation.

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The discussion revolves around finding all real solutions to the equation $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-8y+4xy+4y^2x+y^4+52=0$$. Participants explore various methods of rearranging and factoring the equation, considering its implications for the values of \(x\) and \(y\).

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest rearranging the equation by moving all terms involving \(y\) to one side and those involving \(x\) to the other, followed by factoring.
  • One participant proposes a specific factorization of the terms involving \(y\) and attempts to simplify the equation by introducing additional terms to maintain equality.
  • Another participant notes that the equation can be viewed as quadratic in \(x\) and discusses the implications of the discriminant for the existence of real solutions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the nature of the solutions, with one initially believing there could be infinite solutions due to the quadratic nature.
  • Specific solutions are proposed, including \((x,y)=\left(\frac{5}{2},-1 \right)\) and \((1,2)\), but the conditions under which these solutions hold are not universally agreed upon.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for solving the equation and the nature of the solutions. While some solutions are proposed, there is no consensus on the completeness or correctness of these solutions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the full set of real solutions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the factorization and the conditions under which real solutions exist, particularly concerning the discriminant analysis.

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Find all real solutions of the equation $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-8y+4xy+4y^2x+y^4+52=0$$
 
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Throw all terms in y to one side and keep the terms in x in the other side.Factorise both and give values for x and get y or the other way.
 
mathmaniac said:
Throw all terms in y to one side and keep the terms in x in the other side.Factorise both and give values for x and get y or the other way.

Problems posted in this sub-forum are such that the OP has a solution, and is giving the problem, which they have found interesting or instructional, to the membership here as a challenge to solve.

Responses here should be a well-explained solution (or requests for clarification if the problem statement is vague or misleading).
 
Sorry I am in a hurry to log out.I will make a try on this when I come back...

But surely following what I said leads to the solution,doesn't it?
 
Well, the OP is not looking for help, so you really should just wait until you have a full solution to post.
 
anemone said:
Find all real solutions of the equation $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-8y+4xy+4y^2x+y^4+52=0$$

My solution:

First, I group $$4xy+4y^2x$$ and factor to get:
$$4xy+4y^2x=4xy(1+y)$$

I notice that $$(1+y)$$ is a factor of $$4xy+4y^2x$$ and my plan is to rewrite the given expression as the sum of two terms and next equate them to zero.

To do this, I need to group a certain amount of terms and hopefully, there will be the factor of $$(1+y)$$ in them so that I could further simplify the expression.

For $$y^4$$ in the remaining terms of the given expression $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-8y+\cancel {4xy+4y^2x}+y^4+52=0$$:

I add a $$y^3$$ in the equation and but I will subtract it next to maintain the equality.

$$y^4+y^3=y^3(y+1)$$

For $$-11y^2-8y-y^3$$ in $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-8y+\cancel {4xy+4y^2x}+\cancel {y^4}+52-y^3=0$$:

I know that if I want to let $$(1+y)$$ be a factor of this cubic equation, I must add a constant of 2 to the equation and therefore I will proceed like this:

$$-11y^2-8y-y^3+2=-\left(y^3+11y^2+8y-2 \right)=-(1+y)\left(y^2+10y-2 \right)$$

Now, for the remaining terms in $$8x^2-\cancel {11y^2}-40x-\cancel {8y}+\cancel {4xy+4y^2x}+\cancel {y^4}+50-\cancel {y^3}=0$$, I see that I could rewrite it to become:
$$8x^2-40x+50=2(2x-5)^2$$

Putting all these pieces together yields:
$$4xy(1+y)+y^3(y+1)-(1+y)\left(y^2+10y-2 \right)+2(2x-5)^2=0$$

$$(1+y)\left(4xy+y^3-\left(y^2+10y-2 \right) \right)+2(2x-5)^2=0$$

$$(1+y)\left(4xy+y^3-y^2-10y+2 \right)+2(2x-5)^2=0$$

Clearly $$x=\dfrac{5}{2}$$ and $$y=-1$$ is one of the valid answers to the problem.

I suspect the given equation can be rewritten as the sum of two terms in different way as well so let's see:

From $$-8y+4xy+4y^2x$$, I simplify it to get:

$$-8y+4xy+4y^2x=4y(-2+x+xy)$$ (*)

We know from a well-known identity that $$xy+x-y-1=(x-1)(y+1)$$

Thus, (*) can be manipulated a bit to obtain the following:
$$-8y+4xy+4y^2x=4y(-1-y+x+xy)+4y^2-4y=4y(x-1)(y+1)+4y^2-4y$$

Now, we know we must rewrite the rest of the given terms with $$(x-1)$$ as one of the factors. If we focus on the terms $$8x^2-40x$$ from $$8x^2-11y^2-40x-\cancel {8y+4xy+4y^2x}+y^4+52=0$$, we see that we may rewrite it by having the factor $$(x-1)$$ iff we have a constant of 32 in the equation, like this:
$$8x^2-40x+32=8(x-1)(x-4)$$

Next, by replacing these two newly rearranged terms within the equation we find that now we have:
$$4y(x-1)(y+1)+4y^2-4y+8(x-1)(x-4)+y^4-11y^2+32=0$$

or

$$(x-1)(4y(y+1)+8(x-4))+4y^2-4y+y^4-11y^2+32=0$$

$$(x-1)(4y(y+1)+8(x-4))+y^4-7y^2-4y+32=0$$

$$(x-1)(4y(y+1)+8(x-4))+(y-2)^2(y^2+4y+5)=0$$

We can see that $$x=1$$ and $$y=2$$ is another pair of the valid answers to the problem.

I find that there are no other ways to regroup the terms and rewrite it as the sum of two terms and I conclude that the solutions (real) to the problem are

$$(x,y)=\left(\frac{5}{2},-1 \right),\,(1,2)$$.
 
At first sight I thought it was a quadratic equation in two variables...and so there will be infinite solutions...
I blame myself for not reading the question...

Anyway I appreciate your skill of factoring the equation so cleverly...

And your way of explanation is also cool...
 
The equation is quadratic in $ x$ so re-grouping gives

$8\,{x}^{2}+ \left( -40+4\,y+4\,{y}^{2} \right) x-11\,{y}^{2}-8\,y+{y}^
{4}+52 = 0$.

The discriminant when simplified is

$-16(y+1)^2(y-2)^2$

which means that for real $y$, then $x$ will be complex. Since we require the solutions to be real gives the only choices $y=-1$ and $y=2$ as provided.
 

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