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The discussion revolves around finding all integer solutions for the equation \(a^3+(a+1)^3+(a+2)^3+\cdots+(a+7)^3=b^3\). Participants explore potential solutions and methods for solving the equation, including brute force approaches.

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  • Some participants suggest using brute force methods to find integer solutions.
  • One participant mentions that there are a total of four solutions, indicating that two solutions have been identified but two remain unconfirmed.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their reasoning, suggesting a lack of clarity in their approach.

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Participants generally agree that there are multiple solutions to the equation, but there is no consensus on what those solutions are, as some solutions have been identified while others are still sought.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the methods used to find solutions, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to identify all solutions.

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Find all solutions in integers of the equation $a^3+(a+1)^3+(a+2)^3+\cdots+(a+7)^3=b^3$
 
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anemone said:
Find all solutions in integers of the equation $a^3+(a+1)^3+(a+2)^3+\cdots+(a+7)^3=b^3$

Hello.

A little bit. to brute force. :o:o

My experience with cubic powers:

3^3+4^3+5^3=6^3

It no more, correlative of 4 elements.

You need 5 correlative elements, which are cancelled:

(-2)^3+(-1)^3+0^3+1^3+2^3=0

Solution:

1º) (-6)^3=(-5)^3+(-4)^3+ \cdots+1^3+2^3

a=-5 \ and \ b=-6

2º) 6^3=5^3+4^3+ \dots +(-1)^3+(-2)^3

a=-2 \ and \ b=6

Regards.
 
mente oscura said:
Hello.

A little bit. to brute force. :o:o

My experience with cubic powers:

3^3+4^3+5^3=6^3

It no more, correlative of 4 elements.

You need 5 correlative elements, which are cancelled:

(-2)^3+(-1)^3+0^3+1^3+2^3=0

Solution:

1º) (-6)^3=(-5)^3+(-4)^3+ \cdots+1^3+2^3

a=-5 \ and \ b=-6

2º) 6^3=5^3+4^3+ \dots +(-1)^3+(-2)^3

a=-2 \ and \ b=6

Regards.

Hi mente oscura, the two set solutions are correct, but there are a total of 4 answers, could you please also identify the other two?:o
 
anemone said:
Hi mente oscura, the two set solutions are correct, but there are a total of 4 answers, could you please also identify the other two?:o

$(-4,-4)$: $-64 -27 -8 -1 +0 +1 +8 + 27 = -64 = (-4)^3$

$(-3,4)$: $-27-8-1+0+1+8+27+64=4^3$.

Edit: Oops, made a typo: $8 = 2^3 \neq 4$.
 
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$$a^3 + \cdots + (a+7)^3 = 8a^3 + 84a^2 + 420a + 784$$

So the cubic curve of interest is $8a^3 + 84a^2 + 420a + 784 = b^3$ over $\Bbb Q$. This obviously have a rational point, take for example $(a, b) = (-4, -4)$. Thus it's isomorphic to an elliptic curve.

In particular, use the parametrization

$$(x, y) = \left (\frac{1008b}{2a+7}, \frac{254016}{2a + 7} \right )$$

To reduce the above into the well-known Mordell form

$$\mathbf {E} : y^2 = x^3 -1024192512$$

I do hope this has rank $1$, though. (I believe BSD)

First, the trivial solutions over $\Bbb Q$ include $(-7/2, 0), (-4, -4), (-3, 4)$, the first being simply a real zero of the cubic. Now about computing the torsion, one can try a relatively easy hands-on derivation by either Nagell-Lutz or Mazur (I am not sure which one is easier here). Precisely, it's $\Bbb Z/2\Bbb Z$ so the group of rational points over the elliptic curve is really $\Bbb Z \times \Bbb Z/ 2\Bbb Z$.

The extra solutions may come from the torsion points. It seems that a generator for $\mathbf E$ is $(2016, 84672)$ and from this comes the corresponding integral point $(-2, 6)$.

I am missing something here.

EDIT : Darn, I forgot the negative $(2016, -84672)$. Of course, plugging this in gives $a = -5$ and $b = 6$, and thus all the integer points (and as well rational points, which are the multiplies of the generator precisely).
 
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anemone said:
Hi mente oscura, the two set solutions are correct, but there are a total of 4 answers, could you please also identify the other two?:o

Hello.

You're right, I am missing identities:

(-3)^3+(-2)^3+(-1)^3+0+1^3+2^3+3^3=0

Therefore:

3º) a=4 \ and \ b=4

4º) a=-4 \ and \ b=-4

Regards.
 
Thank you all for participating!:)

Solution I saw somewhere online:

Let $f(a)=a^3+(a+1)^3+(a+2)^3+(a+3)^3+(a+4)^3+(a+5)^3+(a+6)^3+(a+7)^3=8a^3+84a^2+420a+784$Case I:
If $a>0$:

Note that $(2a+7)^3=8a^3+84a^2+294a+343$ and $(2a+10)^3=8a^3+120a^2+600a+1000$

So if $a>0$, we have

$(2a+7)^3<f(a)<(2a+10)^3$, i.e. $2a+7<b<2a+10$ which implies $b=2a+8$ or $b=2a+9$.

And neither of the equations $f(a)-(2a+8)^3=-12a^2+36a+272=0$ and $ f(a)-(2a+9)^3=-24a^2-66a+55=0$ have any integer roots, so we can conclude that there are no solutions with $x>0$.

Case II:
Note that $f$ satisfies $f(-a-7)=-f(a)$, so $(a,\,b)$ is a solution iff $(-a-7,\,-b)$. Therefore, there are no solutions with $a<-7$.

So for $(a,\,b)$ to be a solution, we must have $-6<a<-1$.

Checking each case we have

$f(-1)=440$ and this isn't a cube.

$f(-2)=216=6^3$

$f(-3)=64=4^3$

Therefore, $(-2,\,6)$ and $(-3,\,4)$ are the only solutions with $-3<a<-1$ and $(-4,\,-4)$ and $(-5,\,-6)$ are the only solutions with $-6<a<-4$.
 
Darn it. I never think straight. :D
 

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