Find angles between two rope and the ceiling

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The discussion revolves around finding the angles between two ropes and the ceiling, involving concepts from trigonometry and vector analysis. Participants are trying to resolve the forces acting on the ropes, particularly focusing on the tension and its components.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric identities and vector properties to resolve tensions into vertical and horizontal components. There is uncertainty about how to separate the vectors without given angles and whether the weight can be used as a shared vertical component. Some suggest using simultaneous equations based on vertical and horizontal considerations.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem with participants offering hints and suggestions for approaching the solution. The mention of the cosine rule indicates a potential direction for resolving the angles, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to apply.

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Participants note the challenge of working with unknown angles and the constraints of the problem setup, including the reliance on the weight as a vertical component and the need for simultaneous equations.

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***Excuse the pluralization error in the title***

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



sin^2(theta)+cos^2(theta)=1

a^2+b^2=c^2

Vector properties

Trig identities

The Attempt at a Solution

I am familiar with trig identities and vector properties, but I can't get anywhere with this. I tried using the 697N weight as the y-component vector for either side, but that didn't work.

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seanster1324 said:
***Excuse the pluralization error in the title***

Homework Statement



I attached a picture below...


Homework Equations



sin^2(theta)+cos^2(theta)=1

a^2+b^2=c^2

Vector properties

Trig identities

The Attempt at a Solution




I am familiar with trig identities and vector properties, but I can't get anywhere with this. I tried using the 697N weight as the y-component vector for either side, but that didn't work.

resolve each tension into vertical and horizontal components.
The horizontal components have to balance each other,
The vertical components together support the mass.
 
I understand that part. The part I don't understand is how to separate each vector into its components. I only have the magnitude with no given angles. Looking at the hint, I need to play around with some trig. But I can't see how to incorporate the identity it hints at.

And I can't use 697N as the shared vertical component, right? Because that would make this much easier, but it did not work for me.
 
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seanster1324 said:
I understand that part. The part I don't understand is how to separate each vector into its components. I only have the magnitude with no given angles. Looking at the hint, I need to play around with some trig. But I can't see how to incorporate the identity it hints at.

And I can't use 697N as the shared vertical component, right? Because that would make this much easier, but it did not work for me.

You have two unknowns, theta 1 and theta 2

Vertical considerations will give one equation involving them

Horizontal considerations will give a second equation connecting them

Two equations in two unknowns should mean a simultaneous equations solution is possible.

EDIT: you could also use the cosine rule to find the angles.
 
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Ah, I see what you mean. Thank you so much!
 
seanster1324 said:
Ah, I see what you mean. Thank you so much!

Note my edit about the cosine rule.
 
Witch cosine rule? The Law of Cosines?
 
seanster1324 said:
Witch cosine rule? The Law of Cosines?

yes: a2 = b2 + c2 - 2bc.cos(A)
 

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