Find angular velocity using angular momentum

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The problem involves a girl walking on a turntable, focusing on the concepts of angular momentum and angular velocity. It includes calculations related to changes in angular velocity and kinetic energy as the girl moves at different speeds and distances from the center of the turntable.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum and how to apply it to the system of the girl and the turntable. There are questions about how to treat the girl and the turntable as separate objects and how their individual angular momenta interact.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using the conservation of angular momentum to approach parts c and d of the problem. There is an acknowledgment that the initial momentum is zero and that it will remain conserved as the girl moves.

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Participants note that the problem involves assumptions about the system being isolated and that the turntable is initially stationary. There is also mention of the girl walking at a speed relative to both the ground and the turntable, which complicates the analysis.

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A 20kg girl stands on a large turntable 4m from its center. The turntable has a moment of inertia (about its roation axis) of 200kgm^2. Assume that the girl is a point mass.

a) Assume that the girl and turntable are rotating at 1 rad/s. If the girl walks inwards to a radius of 3m and stops, what is the new angular velocity?

b) Find the change in kinetic energy.

I got these two parts, but I am stuck with c and d



c) Assume that the turnable is initially stationary and the girl is at r=4m.

The girl starts walking in a circle around the turntable at a speed of 2m/s relative to the ground. Find the angular velocity of the turntable relative to the ground.

d) The girl starts walking in a circle around the turntable at a speed of 2m/sy relative to the turntable. Find the angular velocity of the turntable relative to the ground.


c) I got from part a that w_i = 1 rad/s and w_f 1.37 rad/s. I know that that I = 200 + mr^2

However, I have no idea what to do when she walks 2m/s. As she gets closer to the center, the turntable will spin faster. But I don't know what to do for c and d.
 
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For c and d the girl is no longer rotating at the same rate as the table. Don't try to find a moment of inertia for the system. Treat the girl as one object and the table as a second object and think about their individual angular momenta. The total angular momentum of the girl/table system is conserved. This is directly analogous to a linear momentum problem of a person walking on a plank that is on a frictionless surface. Starting from rest, if one thing goes one way, the other thing goes the other way.
 
For part c, you know the inital momentum is zero, that will be conserved. Set the angular momentum of the girl equal to the angular momentum of the turntable.

Edit: Wow, Dan you are all over the place.
 
Thank you.
 

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