Find charge density of an electric field

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The discussion revolves around determining the charge density associated with a given electric field described by the equation E(\vec{r})=C\vec{r}/ε0a3. Participants are exploring the relationship between the electric field and charge density through the divergence of the electric field, as stated by Gauss's Law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the divergence of the electric field to find the charge density. There are questions about the definition of the electric field at the origin and the implications of Gauss's Law in the absence of charge. Some participants express confusion regarding the representation of the electric field in three dimensions and the boundaries for surface integrals.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications and nudges towards the correct approach. Some have expressed uncertainty about specific aspects of the problem, while others have attempted calculations and shared their results.

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There is a mention of the divergence being zero in the absence of charge, raising questions about the conditions under which the electric field is defined. Participants are also considering the implications of the electric field being uniform and its representation in component form.

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Homework Statement



Let the electric field in a certain region of space be given by E(\vec{}r)=C\vec{}r/ε0a3, where a has dimension length and C is a constant. The charge density is given by?

Homework Equations



∇.E=ρ/ε

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been searching this on the net, from what I understood the divergence is not defined at the origin and is zero everywhere else except the site of a local divergence created by the presence of a charge, which is then calculated by a surface integral of the field. In this question a field equation is given and charge density is asked. The divergence theorem is the only relation between the two (that is, I didn't find any more) but I'm unable to calculate anything from the given field equation that would result in a reasonable answer to the charge density. Could you please point out where my understanding/searching has failed me?
 
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I can't read your electric field well. Does it mean
\vec{E}(\vec{r})=\frac{C \vec{r}}{\epsilon a^3}?
Then there's no problem at the origin, but it's well-defined everywhere.

Just calculate the divergence, i.e.,
\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\partial_x E_x+\partial_y E_y + \partial_z E_z.
You've already written how this is related with the electric charge density via Gauß's Law.
 
vanhees71 said:
I can't read your electric field well. Does it mean
\vec{E}(\vec{r})=\frac{C \vec{r}}{\epsilon a^3}?
Yes, that's the equation, new here, having trouble with writing complex equations.
vanhees71 said:
Then there's no problem at the origin, but it's well-defined everywhere.
I didn't get that. No problem at origin means its undefined there or well-defined even at the origin? If yes, how does Gauss' law remain intact?

vanhees71 said:
Just calculate the divergence, i.e.,
\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\partial_x E_x+\partial_y E_y + \partial_z E_z.
You've already written how this is related with the electric charge density via Gauß's Law.

That's the whole problem, no boundaries for the surface integral are defined and the equation is not broken down into the 3 co-ordinate system. How do I extract a 3 dimensional representation of the equation? I'm not asking for a solution, just nudge me in the right direction.

Thanks
 
In the absence of any source of charge/current the Gauss' law states that the divergence of an electric field is zero. In this case although we are given a field it is given in the absence of any source, wouldn't that mean that density/permittivity then would also equate zero, finally giving the result that current charge density is zero? Am I right?
 
JonNash said:
That's the whole problem, no boundaries for the surface integral are defined and the equation is not broken down into the 3 co-ordinate system. How do I extract a 3 dimensional representation of the equation? I'm not asking for a solution, just nudge me in the right direction.

Written in component form, the electric field is ##\vec{E}(\vec{r})=\frac{C \vec{r}}{\epsilon a^3}=\frac{Cx}{\epsilon a^3}\vec{i}+\frac{Cy}{\epsilon a^3}\vec{j}+\frac{Cz}{\epsilon a^3}\vec{k}##, where ##\vec{i},\vec{j},\vec{k}## are the unit vectors. The divergence is just the "dot product" of this with the vector ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\vec{i}+\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\vec{j}+\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\vec{k}##.

The system corresponding to this kind of electric field is a sphere of uniform charge density, in the limit where the boundaries of the sphere are "infinitely far" from the origin of the coordinate system.
 
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Thanks for explaining that hilbert2. I calculated it and got the answer 3C/a^3. I know it was a noob question but I'm a bit new to this.
 

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