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The discussion revolves around methods to determine the density of a plastic ball using basic physics principles and available tools. Participants explore various approaches to measure mass and volume, considering both theoretical and experimental methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using energy equations (Ek or Ep) to find mass but expresses uncertainty about the availability of necessary energy values.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving the vibration of the ball attached to a ruler, indicating that the period of vibration relates to mass.
  • A participant questions the relationship between mass and the period of oscillation in simple harmonic motion, noting that mass does not appear in the standard equation for the period.
  • There is a suggestion to use the spring constant in place of gravitational parameters to relate mass to oscillation.
  • One participant proposes an alternative method involving rolling the ball down an incline to calculate its moment of inertia, which could indicate its structure (solid or hollow).
  • Another approach mentioned involves using Stokes flow to determine mass based on terminal velocity in water, combined with volume measurements to find density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and methods for determining density, with no consensus on a single approach or resolution of the questions raised.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed depend on specific conditions, such as the assumption of simple harmonic motion or the need for known masses for comparison. The discussion also highlights the potential complexity in determining whether the ball is solid or hollow.

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I remember my friend telling me once about this task in his physics competition. I had forgotten about it and remembered last night taking a shower. Started thinking but couldn't figure it out. Maybe you can help?

So you are given a small plastic ball, a ruler and a timer. Find the density of the ball. (I don't know if its full plastic or filled with air).

Finding cubage is easy. But finding the mass?

First I thougth that maybe I could find the mass with Ek=m*v(scuared)/2 or Ep=mgh, but you don't have neither of the E's (at least I don't think it was given).
So how do you get it? (Hope its not too simple because then I would looks really stupid again).

Thanks in advance,
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Here's the method that is used to determine mass in orbit, in, say, the space station.

Attach the ball to one end of the ruler. Hold the other end firmly or clamp it to something and start the ball vibrating. The period of vibration will be proportional to the square root of the mass. Of course, you will need some known mass to compare to in order to be able to specify the mass of the ball.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The period of vibration will be proportional to the square root of the mass.

what equation is that? or is it?
 
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yes the concept described appears to be simple harmonics when you talk about the period of an oscillation. hmmm, remind me if I'm wrong but mass is not in the period of an ocsillation in simple harmonics

T = 2(pi)(sq. root)(length/g)
 
Northern expo> You can replace the (length/g) with (mass/k) where k is the 'spring constant'
 
Ok, what equation is that? (Yes, srsly, I don't know).
 
What about rolling it down a measured incline, timing it, and using that to calculate the moment of inertia? The moment of inertia will tell you if it is a solid sphere or a shell.

Or, let the ball rise/sink in a tub of water: if terminal velocity is reached, you can calculate the mass of the ball using Stokes flow; that plus the volume gives the density.

I'm sure there's other ways...
 

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