Find Equation of Plane: Cartesian & Parametric Form

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane in both Cartesian and parametric forms. The plane is defined to pass through the point (6,5,-2) and is parallel to another plane given by the equation x+y-z+1=0.

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  • Participants discuss the Cartesian form of the plane and the method to derive the parametric form. Questions arise regarding the selection of vectors that are perpendicular to the normal vector of the plane and ensuring they are not parallel. Some suggest finding additional points on the plane by substituting values into the plane's equation.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring various methods to derive the parametric form of the plane. Some have provided insights into using the given point effectively, while others are questioning the necessity of finding additional points. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of using the given point (6,5,-2) in their calculations and discuss the implications of parallelism and perpendicularity in their reasoning. There is a recognition of the potential for multiple valid approaches to the problem.

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Find the equation of the following plane in both Cartesian and (vector) parametric form.

the plane through the point (6,5,-2) and parallel to the plane x+y-z+1=0




Cartesian form is just -x-y+z=d as both planes share the same normal. solving for d using (6,5,-2) gives -x-y+z=-13.

as for the vector form..

r = (6,5,-2) + s(x,y,z) + t(a,b,c) (s,t are real numbers)

How do i work out the (x,y,z) and (a,b,c)? Can i just take the dot product of each of them with the normal vector and find values that give 0. meaning they are at right angles (i hope that's right). and then just make sure that (x,y,z) and (a,b,c) aren't parallel?

e.g.

(-1,-1,1) . (x,y,z) = 0
-x-y+z=0

so (1,0,1) would work? then do the same with the (a,b,c) and say take (0,1,1)??

is this the right thing to do? is there an easier way?
 
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You should be able to find two more points in the plane - you have its equation, so for each point, pick values of x and y and solve for z. Let's call these points A and B.

Now form a vector from P(6, 5, -2) to A and another vector from P to B. These two vectors and your first point will determine the plane. As a check each vector should be perpendicular to the plane's normal.
 
forty said:
Find the equation of the following plane in both Cartesian and (vector) parametric form.

the plane through the point (6,5,-2) and parallel to the plane x+y-z+1=0




Cartesian form is just -x-y+z=d as both planes share the same normal. solving for d using (6,5,-2) gives -x-y+z=-13.
Given the form of the original plane, I would have been inclined to write either x+ y-z+ d1= 0 or x+ y- z= d2, but they give the same result as yours: x+y-z-13= 0 or x+y-z= 13.

as for the vector form..

r = (6,5,-2) + s(x,y,z) + t(a,b,c) (s,t are real numbers)

How do i work out the (x,y,z) and (a,b,c)? Can i just take the dot product of each of them with the normal vector and find values that give 0. meaning they are at right angles (i hope that's right). and then just make sure that (x,y,z) and (a,b,c) aren't parallel?

e.g.

(-1,-1,1) . (x,y,z) = 0
-x-y+z=0

so (1,0,1) would work? then do the same with the (a,b,c) and say take (0,1,1)??

is this the right thing to do? is there an easier way?
Simplest thing to do: since -x- y+ z= -13 (your form), solve the equation for z: z= x+ y- 13. Taking x= 0, y= 0, z= -13. Taking x= 1, y= 0, z= -12, so <1-0,0-0,-12-(-13)>= <1, 0, 1> is a vector in the plane. Taking x= 0, y= 1, z= -12 so <0-0, 1-0, -12-13>= <0, 1, 1> is a vector in the plane. The plane can be written r= (0, 0, -13)+ s(1, 0, 1)+ t(0, 1, 1).
 
Always helpful!

Just one thing, seeing as in the question they give you a point in the plane "the plane through the point (6,5,-2) and parallel to the plane x+y-z+1=0" wouldn't it be more logical to just use that point then solving for another, ie (0, 0, -13). The only reason I bring this up is to make sure you can use that original point they give in the question!

Thanks again! :-D
 
forty said:
Always helpful!

Just one thing, seeing as in the question they give you a point in the plane "the plane through the point (6,5,-2) and parallel to the plane x+y-z+1=0" wouldn't it be more logical to just use that point then solving for another, ie (0, 0, -13). The only reason I bring this up is to make sure you can use that original point they give in the question!

Thanks again! :-D

It's probably no more logical, but it's a lot quicker!
 

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