Find F(x) when v(x) is given. Chain rule?

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The discussion revolves around determining the net force acting on an object based on its velocity function, v(x) = (4.0 [1/ms]) * x^2. Participants explore the relationship between velocity, acceleration, and force using Newton's second law, F = ma.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule in differentiating the velocity function to find acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between acceleration and velocity, particularly through the expression dv/dt = dv/dx * dx/dt.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of how to apply the chain rule and the definitions of velocity and acceleration. Some participants have offered guidance on rewriting expressions in terms of x, while others seek confirmation of their calculations without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants express urgency due to an upcoming exam and seek quick validation of their understanding and calculations. There is a noted reliance on the definitions of velocity and acceleration, with some uncertainty about the correct application of the chain rule.

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Homework Statement



The movement of an object with a mass of 1500kg is given by v(x)=(4.0 [1/ms]) * x^2

Determine the net force acting on the object as a function of x.

Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



I know I'm supposed to use the chain rule to solve this but I have no idea how I'm supposed to do it. My instinct is to just find the 1st order derivative of this equation to get a(x) and then according to Newton's second law F(x)=m*a(x) will give me the final answer. But since I am told to use the chain rule, I suspect that it might be incorrect to simply differentiate v(x) as is.

An explanation would be great, but if I can even just get the correct final answer I would be able to try and make sense of it myself.

Thank you.
 
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You can get dv/dx, but you know that a = dv/dt by definition.

You can rewrite it as dv/dt = dv/dx * dx/dt

and dx/dt is the same as?
 
rock.freak667 said:
You can get dv/dx, but you know that a = dv/dt by definition.

You can rewrite it as dv/dt = dv/dx * dx/dt

and dx/dt is the same as?

dx/dt is the same as v(t) but I don't know v(t), or do I?

Thanks!
 
mg11 said:
dx/dt is the same as v(t) but I don't know v(t), or do I?

Thanks!

Usually it would be v(t), but remember you can re-write it in terms of x to get v(x). So in this case it is simply v(x).
 
rock.freak667 said:
Usually it would be v(t), but remember you can re-write it in terms of x to get v(x). So in this case it is simply v(x).

OK, so in that case would the answer be F(x)=m*a(x)=m*v(x)*v`(x) ?

I did this and got F(x)=1500[kg]*32.0[1/m^2*s^2]*x^3

Is that right?
 
I have an exam tomorrow that includes a question of this type. Could someone please just confirm if I'm right?

Thanks
 
What did you use for dv/dx ?
 
SammyS said:
What did you use for dv/dx ?

I differentiated the original function v(x) and got

dv/dx = 2 * 4.0[1/ms] * x

Then I multiplied it by the original v(x) and got

2 * 4.0[1/ms] * X * 4.0[1/ms] * x^2 = 32.0[1/m^2*s^2] * x^3
--------------------- --------------------
dv/dx v(x)
 
Can anyone just give me a yes/no answer to this? Did I solve right?

I have to go to sleep soon before the test tomorrow. I would really appreciate some help.
 
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Yes, it looks fine !
 
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SammyS said:
Yes, it looks fine !

Great, Thank you!
 

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