Find Fg for G, M, m, and r: 5.21*109 mkg/s2

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational force (Fg) using the formula Fg = -GMm/r², where G, M, m, and r are given values. The problem involves concepts from gravitational physics and unit analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the handling of units in the calculations, with some suggesting that units should be included throughout the process for accuracy. Questions arise regarding the validity of negative values in scientific notation and the correctness of the computed answer.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights on unit management and the nature of the problem. Some express uncertainty about the original problem's context and assumptions, while others affirm the correctness of the units used in the calculations.

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There are indications that the problem may lack sufficient information, particularly regarding the nature of the massive object represented by M, and assumptions about its structure are being questioned.

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Homework Statement


Find Fg if G=6.67*10-11m3 kg-1s-2, M=2.6*1023 kg, m=1200kg, and r = 2000m

Homework Equations


Fg= -GMm/r2

The Attempt at a Solution


Fg=-GMm/r2

Fg=- (6.67*10-11m3kg-1s-2)(2.6*1023 kg)(1200kg)/(2000m)2

Fg=- (6.67*10-11m3kg-1s-2)(2.6*1023 kg)(1200kg)/4000000 m2

Fg= - 2.08*1016 kg m3 s-2/4000000m2

Fg= - 5,202,600,000 mkg/s2

Fg= - 5.21*109 mkg/s2

First, I'm not sure how to deal with the units here. I added the exponents across and subtracted if they had the same unit below them but I'm not sure I ended up with the right units. Also, I don't know if you can have a negative number in scientific notation. Lastly, I don't even know if the problem was solved correctly.

Thank you for any help, I'm beyond rusty at math like this.
 
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Ellen W. said:
mkg/s2
Look like a unit of force to you?
Ellen W. said:
don't know if you can have a negative number in scientific notation
Can you think of any reason there shouldn't be negative numbers?
 
Ellen W. said:
First, I'm not sure how to deal with the units here. I added the exponents across and subtracted if they had the same unit below them but I'm not sure I ended up with the right units.

I would think it best to leave the units out of the calculations . The formula will eventually work out to give you the Unit of force - Newton(N) .

Ellen W. said:
Also, I don't know if you can have a negative number in scientific notation. Lastly, I don't even know if the problem was solved correctly.

Yes you can . Scientific notation only helps to make working with large numbers easier - It doesn't have any relation with the sign of a number . -120000 = -1.2*105 .

Also , you seem to have worked out your answer probably .

Hope this helps .
 
Qwertywerty said:
I would think it best to leave the units out of the calculations . The formula will eventually work out to give you the Unit of force - Newton(N) .

No! Never leave out the units! Aside from needing units to be formally correct, the units provide a very neat way of checking your answers.
 
micromass said:
No! Never leave out the units! Aside from needing units to be formally correct, the units provide a very neat way of checking your answers.

Just to be clear , I was talking about using units during steps .

However , if this is what you intended to reply to , point well taken .
 
I am puzzled as to why this was titled "Algebra Question". Other than the "physics" involved in the given formula, this is purely arithmetic.
 
Your units are correct. The unit for Force is a Newton, which is defined as one kilogram times one meter per second squared (mass times acceleration).
 
An interesting problem. Realistically though, what could that massive object be?
 
insightful said:
An interesting problem. Realistically though, what could that massive object be?
It's not the mass in itself that's remarkable, it's less massive than the earth. The difficulty is combining that with a distance of 2000m.
Strictly speaking, there is not enough information. We have to assume that M is a sphere composed of concentric uniform spherical shells, with an outer radius less than 2000m.
Maybe there was more text in the original question.
 
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insightful said:
An interesting problem. Realistically though, what could that massive object be?
My first thought was "neutron star" but, although the density is right, it doesn't have enough total mass to be one.
 

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